Author Topic: That pesky low fuel warning and the disappearance of the range function.  (Read 88429 times)

Offline PH14

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Great work Brian. Now, how about a newer improved model with a switch that allows the low fuel warning, then allows that to be switched off by hitting a button.  :)

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Great work Brian. Now, how about a newer improved model with a switch that allows the low fuel warning, then allows that to be switched off by hitting a button.  :)

OOOOHHH what he said...I like it.  :thumbs:

Brian, I think you could sell a lot more of these! (Charge more too!  :D )

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Great work Brian. Now, how about a newer improved model with a switch that allows the low fuel warning, then allows that to be switched off by hitting a button.  :)

Good question but not sure that is possible.  Will the bike revert to a normal condition if the "low fuel" alert line is removed AFTER is has signaled low fuel?  Sounds like it might be the best of both worlds.

Although I like the idea a lot, I am not sure I want to COMPLETELY lose the low fuel warning.  What I hate about the warning is that it is too difficult to remove while riding (having to press two buttons in perfect sequence ON THE DASH while MOVING is not easy nor safe- yet I do it every time).  And of course, that it then stops the ability to use the miles remaining.
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I'll take one Brian. I hate that I lose the display functionality because of low fuel. Are we doing Paypal to your email on here or are ordering instructions forthcoming?

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Yep, thought about all those things. Some of them are possible, some are not and mostly it is not feasible. Then again, given enough time and money a new instrument cluster could be built to display anything anyone wanted to but I suspect it would sell poorly.

I was originally planning on using a separate, remote warning in the form of a simple red LED that affixed somewhere on the dash. That way the bike would ignore the warning but the discreet LED would light when the 'low fuel' level was reached. The two basic problems with that method were cost and the fact that the remote LED would need to be wired onto the bike and a lot of people either cannot or do not want to do any dissemble, wire routing, possible drilling of holes, etc. This is the truly 'plug 'n play' version that can be added to the bike easily.

As to the other idea of displaying and removing the warning, it could be done but only sort of. There is a significant delay built into the system that cannot be overcome so if I sent the warning signal for, say, one second, the display would hold that warning mode for some time- something like one minute. And in addition to such a device not working the way I (and I think most others) would like, it would also be quiet expensive.

So like most of life, this is a compromise and a best effort for a reasonable adjustment, all in my opinion of course. It ain't perfect but it is workable, affordable and removes the biggest negatives without introducing any large negatives itself (again, in my opinion of course).

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Great work Brian. Now, how about a newer improved model with a switch that allows the low fuel warning, then allows that to be switched off by hitting a button.  :)
OOOOHHH what he said...I like it.  :thumbs:

Brian, I think you could sell a lot more of these! (Charge more too!  :D )

Good question but not sure that is possible.  Will the bike revert to a normal condition if the "low fuel" alert line is removed AFTER is has signaled low fuel?  Sounds like it might be the best of both worlds.

Although I like the idea a lot, I am not sure I want to COMPLETELY lose the low fuel warning.  What I hate about the warning is that it is too difficult to remove while riding (having to press two buttons in perfect sequence ON THE DASH while MOVING is not easy nor safe- yet I do it every time).  And of course, that it then stops the ability to use the miles remaining.
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21 May 2013: all of these are sold at the moment. I will contact the people who actually got the stock I had and will let you folks know when more are available- I expect by the end of this week or the beginning of next week.

Thanks for all the  interest.

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21 May 2013: all of these are sold at the moment. I will contact the people who actually got the stock I had and will let you folks know when more are available- I expect by the end of this week or the beginning of next week.

Thanks for all the  interest.

Brian

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Brian, does a piggyback fuel controller screw up the ECU's range calculations?
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Excellent question! And the answer is yes with a but....

But overall it does not seem to make any noticeable difference in accuracy, bearing in mind that I have never gone below 7 mile remaining, and generally the maps for a C-14 that I have seen actually remove fuel at small throttle openings which is where most if not all of us would be interested in range anyway. In other words, if we were drag racing we really would not be concerned with the range.

Before I installed my PCIII, my fuel economy readings were astoundingly accurate. Now with a map 1/2 way between the standard Fuel Moto map and the economy map, my mileage readings are about 4% off toward the high side- my ECU thinks I am getting better mileage than I really am. So that would throw the range indicator off the same amount or about 2 miles error when the range indicator showed 40 miles remaining (there would really be 38 miles remaining). That error would have to be added to the other tolerances in the fuel tank size / shape (they are all a tad different), the fuel gauge calibration and a pile of other variables, none of which are particularly large. So overall my opinion and experience suggests that it does not matter enough to worry about but that overall inaccuracy is also why I suggest that no one ever go too close to 1 mile remaining. I am comfortable going to 15 miles, and still 99% confident there is plenty of fuel when the range indicates 10 miles but do not generally go any lower than that.

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Brian, does a piggyback fuel controller screw up the ECU's range calculations?
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Brian

Just saw this thread for the first time. Email sent then I saw you are out of stock, any new stock coming? I so need this for my next trip (vancouver to New Mecico, then north to Manitoba then west bound back home).

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Yep, responded to your PM.

I do have some in stock but am trying to set up a website to detail them as well as provide a portal to purchase them. I am hoping to have it up in the next few days and will announce the location of the website here when it is ready.

Thanks for the interest,
Brian

Brian

Just saw this thread for the first time. Email sent then I saw you are out of stock, any new stock coming? I so need this for my next trip (vancouver to New Mecico, then north to Manitoba then west bound back home).

Thx
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Finally I have a website up to take orders for the low fuel warning eliminator. <whew> A basic site, it does not yet have any information on the devices yet but it will be forthcoming. In the meantime, I do have some in stock and now a method in place that can be used to purchase them. As long as the 'Buy' function remains, I have stock; when the stock is gone the buy function will no longer work. Or so it is supposed to work that way.

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