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Offline PlaynInPeoria

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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2013, 11:50:22 am »
First off, it's DAMPING, not dampening.  This makes me crazy.  Yes, I am slightly OCD.

OP wants the bike set up for HIM. One of the first questions to ask is, "What does HE want?"  Soft and floaty?  Firm and controlled?  Better low speed handling?  More stability in high speed sweepers?
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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2013, 01:11:58 pm »
First off, it's DAMPING, not dampening.  This makes me crazy.  Yes, I am slightly OCD.

Have you met Maxtog yet?   ;)

OP wants the bike set up for HIM. One of the first questions to ask is, "What does HE want?"  Soft and floaty?  Firm and controlled?  Better low speed handling?  More stability in high speed sweepers?

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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2013, 04:30:36 pm »
Have you met Maxtog yet?   ;)

I am O but only slightly C

Not commenting on suspension because, quite honestly, it confuses the crap out of me.  I know that my setup is far from "right" and nothing I do is going to make it better, so I just leave it alone.
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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2013, 09:49:18 am »
I have PR2's and running them at 40psi. There is plenty of tread on them.

Have you considered running the recommended tire pressure, 42 PSI, first?  :banghead:

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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2013, 09:29:11 am »
I am O but only slightly C

Not commenting on suspension because, quite honestly, it confuses the crap out of me.  I know that my setup is far from "right" and nothing I do is going to make it better, so I just leave it alone.

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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2013, 11:30:36 am »
You ain't the only one...

we re now 3

if I mentally condition myself hard enough by thinking my setup is ok, it will be ok.  ;D
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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2013, 01:19:38 pm »
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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2013, 01:20:24 pm »
I'm about the same weight as you with gear, and was in the same situation a week ago prior to my 2nd trip of the year (bike was wallowing in the long turns over any bumps).  After a lot of digging, here is what I came up with:
Front:
preload: 8mm (this is the distance from the top of the hex nut you turn to the top of the hex you are turning it into or out of).  There is a pic in the manual.  Sorry, but you'll need to measure this adjustment; make certain that it is equal on both forks.
rebound damping: 3 clicks ccw from full cw.

Rear:
preload: 18 clicks cw from full ccw.
rebound damping:  1 turn ccw from full cw

My bike was stock prior to these adjustments, and was WAY to soft!!  These settings resulted in a significant improvement; the bike felt planted and was far more confidence inspiring to ride.  I'm no race pro, but I like to hustle through the corners.  The bike worked exceedingly well for me considering the mass of the bike plus rider plus luggage!

I know that there are more accurate ways to set up the bike, but this should at least get you closer than stock for a heavier rider.

I hope this helps you!

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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2013, 09:12:41 am »
I'm about the same weight as you with gear, and was in the same situation a week ago prior to my 2nd trip of the year (bike was wallowing in the long turns over any bumps).  After a lot of digging, here is what I came up with:
Front:
preload: 8mm (this is the distance from the top of the hex nut you turn to the top of the hex you are turning it into or out of).  There is a pic in the manual.  Sorry, but you'll need to measure this adjustment; make certain that it is equal on both forks.
rebound damping: 3 clicks ccw from full cw.

Rear:
preload: 18 clicks cw from full ccw.
rebound damping:  1 turn ccw from full cw

My bike was stock prior to these adjustments, and was WAY to soft!!  These settings resulted in a significant improvement; the bike felt planted and was far more confidence inspiring to ride.  I'm no race pro, but I like to hustle through the corners.  The bike worked exceedingly well for me considering the mass of the bike plus rider plus luggage!

I know that there are more accurate ways to set up the bike, but this should at least get you closer than stock for a heavier rider.

I hope this helps you!

Cheers   :chugbeer:


I will give this a go. Thanks!

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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2013, 11:14:13 pm »
This was a great improvement. :)

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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2013, 11:18:44 pm »
Something to keep in mind as well is the condition of the front fork fluid.  I would think that older/dirtier fluid could change the way the adjustments work.  My bike needs the fluid changed.  It's been in since day one and I have 56k miles on it.  The front is not handling as well....feels a bit stiff no matter where you set the adjustments.  That's another maintenance item on my list to do this fall.
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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2013, 09:00:43 am »
First off, it's DAMPING, not dampening.  This makes me crazy.  Yes, I am slightly OCD.


It's CDO, not OCD!!! I wish people would start saying it correctly!
CDO is the same thing as OCD, except in CDO, the letters are in the correct order - the way they SHOULD be!


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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2013, 06:22:55 am »
First off, I did read:

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=7802.0
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=4480.0
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=2027.0

Secondly, are there any general ("turn this all the way like this, then back out X# of turns ")   type of settings for this bike? If I was Marc Marquez and was sliding this bike at 100mph in a corner, I would probably care about SAG and all the fusing with measuring it up. I would know about preload and damping and what it all did. - But I'm not, and I don't. I'm just a simple man that wants to lope around a 700lb beast in relative comfort, with relative performance for what the machine is.I keep reading "turn this X# of MM" but I am not sure what it is or how to measure it,and prolly dont have the proper tool to measure anyway.
Having said all that, My C14 goes through a corner like a horrendus pile of elephant dung. I did purchase it preowned so for all intents and purposes, it just may be as good as it gets.- I dont know.
Anyhow, I was hoping for a simple fat ass (250lb) easy to do setting that I could try.  I fully realize I can go out there and start twisting ****, which I may do, but figured I would stop here first.
Cheers!


Always late to the party...and the wrong forum to boot.

The 2012 Summer edition of the Concourier magazine has an article written by Fred Harmon that has just the table you are looking for.

In addition to instructions for setting the sag , it includes a front and rear set up for different rider weights.

Good luck

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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2013, 06:42:40 am »
Always late to the party...and the wrong forum to boot.

The 2012 Summer edition of the Concourier magazine has an article written by Fred Harmon that has just the table you are looking for.

Is that postable, or copyrighted material?
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Re: Suspension for the completely stupid
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2013, 07:49:52 am »
It's CDO, not OCD!!! I wish people would start saying it correctly! CDO is the same thing as OCD, except in CDO, the letters are in the correct order - the way they SHOULD be!;-)

Thanks for the correction, now I gotta clean off the keyboard from the coffee that sprayed from my nose! :thumbs:
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