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Offline Coomers

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Keypass dies on trip
« on: September 29, 2013, 04:24:48 pm »
With 28,000 mi on my 08 I fell victim to keypass. It had never happened to me before but luckily I had learned from this site what to do in the event of a failure. The bad part is I was traveling with two other guys on Harley’s and they couldn’t help themselves.

I’m not sure if this is normal or not but since my first Keypass failure two days ago, it hasn’t worked since without either disconnecting the wire harness or banging on the ignition. Not even once?

Has anyone put together detailed instructions on removing and dismantling the ignition and cleaning the tumbler thingy?

Thanks,

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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2013, 04:39:21 pm »
It's not for the faint of heart...  http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/kipass  and it ain't easy.  Take the key out and give it a good flushing with contact cleaner around the 9 o'clock position.  It helps to use the key from the key fob to push the switch in a downward motion as you're doing it.  Supposedly Kwak Central has a stronger spring that they can install.  It's happened to me a few times but I've beaten the  :censored: out of it and it reluctantly worked.  I carry a hammer for just such an occasion.  Others carry a K-rock.  Brian (B.D.F.) has a connector that can be used to make it work temporarily but I haven't had to use it.  I prefer beating the  :censored: out of it and cursing it back to the stone age.  Unfortunately it puts nicks in my sword as well.

And it's KIPASS, please make a note of it... ;)

Which reminds me, I haven't flushed it out lately so that's on my list of to do's.

As far as HD guys having some fun at our expense, I feel for you.  Happened to me but on a 1981 Honda Silver Wing GL500...  HD guy wanted to tow me  :_shudder_Emoticon :yikes:

 
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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 05:48:31 pm »
  I carry a hammer for just such an occasion.  Others carry a K-rock. .  Unfortunately it puts nicks in my sword as well.







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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2013, 07:48:12 pm »
haters!  :(
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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2013, 08:09:48 pm »
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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2013, 08:20:50 pm »
KIPASS didn't fail.  A piece of stamped steel and weak spring did.  Same components a keyed system use.

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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2013, 10:29:08 pm »
On 08 and 09 bikes, if you look at the space around the outside of keyholder at the 9:00 position, you can see a little square tab sticking out from the keyswitch over a little square plastic plunger in a plastic square hole. When the key is pushed in, that tab pushes on the plunger. in a plastic square hole. The plunger has a spring inside of it  that looks like it came out of a ball point pen and the switch is under the plunger. The switch never goes out, it is the plunger sticking. The plunger and hole is pretty long and pretty tight clearance, so over time dirt builds up and the plunger sticks in the bottom position holding the switch down and the bike will not start (that is why some people bang on it, to make the plunger pop back up). Squirting a cleaner around the plunger that is plastic save is a good way to clean it out and let the plunger come back up. Cleaning it every once in a while and you would prabably never have a problem with it.
Kawasaki will install the newer stronger spring for free through the dealers, but it is not simple to do, make sure you get them to order the new security bolts before they start, as the bolts are one time use only to prevent theft. The newer bikes also have a splash shield in that space where you can see the tab and plunger/hole to try to keep it cleaner.
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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2013, 04:36:18 am »
With 28,000 mi on my 08 I fell victim to keypass. It had never happened to me before but luckily I had learned from this site what to do in the event of a failure. The bad part is I was traveling with two other guys on Harley’s and they couldn’t help themselves.

I’m not sure if this is normal or not but since my first Keypass failure two days ago, it hasn’t worked since without either disconnecting the wire harness or banging on the ignition. Not even once?

Has anyone put together detailed instructions on removing and dismantling the ignition and cleaning the tumbler thingy?

Thanks,

Instead of beating on the poor thing press the stove knob down with your finger tip and while holding it down let your finger slip off to the side and allow the key to snap back up. Do this till it works, or not.
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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2013, 04:50:34 am »
Not as fun, not prudent.
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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2013, 05:15:25 am »
Not as fun, not prudent.

True, but if one doesn't carry a hammer or a rock...
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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2013, 05:18:07 am »
Or a sword...
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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2013, 06:06:02 am »
So other than spraying some plastic safe contact cleaner down the key slot, how does one clean the plunger regularly with out taking it apart?

Will Kawasaki install the new spring if the bike is long out of Warrantee?

Thanks,

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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2013, 06:56:32 am »
You clean it as best you can without taking it apart.  Don't know if Kwak is replacing the springs gratis on out of warranty bikes as it's a fairly invasive job.  I would tend to doubt it though.  Most times the issue has been very intermittent.  Very rarely does it stay on the fritz...  You do have good battery power, right?

As Conrad said, keep pushing down on the switch whilst spraying the  :censored: out of it with cleaner.
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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2013, 08:21:23 am »
So other than spraying some plastic safe contact cleaner down the key slot, how does one clean the plunger regularly with out taking it apart?

Will Kawasaki install the new spring if the bike is long out of Warrantee?

Thanks,


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Re: Keypass dies on trip
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2013, 12:07:24 pm »
Brought my 08 in last year out of warranty and the dealer called and got authorization from Kawasaki. The dealer got the parts in (spring and security bolts) but did not want to do the job because it is pretty involved and they don't get reimbursed from Kawasaki enough. I just kept up my routine of WD-40 under that square tab at 9 oclock every few months and told them to forget about it. Sold the bike and got a new 2012 and after several months the new owner forgot about the WD-40 routine, got stuck out on the road and had another dealer do the job for free.
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