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Offline SuazoC14

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Ignition will not open?
« on: February 01, 2014, 10:40:28 pm »
I use my bike tonight came home and park it, few hours later i try to start it and the ignition will not open.  Then i found this, easy fix.. just watch this in youtube.. i am sure most of you have seen this issue but just incase here it is, by removing the top portion of the selenoid everything works normal, the only difference is no need to push down, only to lock and ulock!!

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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2014, 03:27:57 am »
Sometimes I will have to press down 3 or 4 times before the ignition will unlock, so I would like a permanent fix, but the video only showed me the tap method works.  Did I miss something?  Actually I would like to get rid of the entire KPASS system and just use the key as every other bike does.  Is there some easy, inexpensive way to do that?

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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2014, 05:56:16 am »
I use my bike tonight came home and park it, few hours later i try to start it and the ignition will not open.  Then i found this, easy fix.. just watch this in youtube.. i am sure most of you have seen this issue but just incase here it is, by removing the top portion of the selenoid everything works normal, the only difference is no need to push down, only to lock and unlock!!

Holy crap....dude, I hope you didn't remove the entire front end of your bike to access the ignition?...lol.

You found A spring in the ignition, but you didn't find the right spring.
The sticking spring/button in question is just under the key, at approx. 8 o'clock. The button under there isn't really weather proof, and dirt/dust/debris gets in it, and the button sticks. All you have to do is pull the top triple clamp off, and remove the ignition housing. Clean the button and surrounding area with electrical cleaner, and then lubricate it. You'll never have a problem with it again. Kawasaki installed a heavier spring under this button in 2009, so that's why it was only really an issue with the 2008 models.

I took it apart on my 08 C14, cleaned & lubricated it, and it never acted up again.

There's no need to disable the KiPass system and key lock, or even to go near that solenoid...just clean the sticky button and spring, and it'll work as good as new.

You can put the front of your bike back on now. :thumbs: :thumbs:





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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2014, 06:23:16 am »
Sometimes I will have to press down 3 or 4 times before the ignition will unlock, so I would like a permanent fix, but the video only showed me the tap method works.  Did I miss something?  Actually I would like to get rid of the entire KPASS system and just use the key as every other bike does.  Is there some easy, inexpensive way to do that?

Not that we're aware of...

I think that the video is good as far as showing the switch housing.  Everything we've seen so far echoes what Rembrandt said.  I've never heard of an issue with that side of the housing.  Brian is going to have to chime in here as he's fairly knowledgeable on that subject.
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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2014, 06:44:30 am »
Everything we've seen so far echoes what Rembrandt said.  I've never heard of an issue with that side of the housing.  Brian is going to have to chime in here as he's fairly knowledgeable on that subject.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with the solenoid. The problem that suazoC14 is having here...with the solenoid sticking, is because the button under the key is dirty and is sticking (because the spring is weak). It gets a little dirt in it, and the spring isn't strong enough to overcome the sticky part. Once it is cleaned, and lubed, it works like new again. I believe Kawasaki changed this spring sometime in 2009 to a heavier duty version, and it will overcome any dirt or debris that gets in the button.

I know dealers were replacing this spring in the 2008 models with the newer heavier version....for a while...not sure if they still are or not. Like I said, if you clean it up and lubricate it, it will work just fine, even with the original 'weak' spring.



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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 07:12:28 am »
My bike is a 2009 but for now i have removed the top portion if the selenoid to get me by, will follow up on the ignition housing next time.. thanks guy.

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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 07:20:36 am »
My bike is a 2009 but for now i have removed the top portion if the selenoid to get me by, will follow up on the ignition housing next time.. thanks guy.

All you have to do is clean the button and spring, and you should be fine after that;). You can re-install the top portion of the solenoid this way.
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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 07:25:54 am »
I kind of like not needing to push in... just turn the knob no real need for the push in activation, they only did that so ur bike will not turn over without the fob, but even without the fob the bike will never turn on..

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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 12:15:54 pm »
Spray a small amount of WD-40 on the Key once a month and you shouldn't have any more trouble. (it's what I do)
I always turn my key to the right so I can remove it. I always use that key to unlock the gas cap and bags, not the key in the fob.
My bike is a 2009 with over 50,000mi. on it, the switch still works like new.
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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2014, 12:26:27 pm »
I've never been a fan of oily lubes for locks as they tend to hold dirt. I use a graphite based lock lube.
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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2014, 12:40:36 pm »
Spray a small amount of WD-40 on the Key once a month and you shouldn't have any more trouble. (it's what I do)

Spraying oil on the key won't have any effect on the sticky button issue that the original poster is having.
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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2014, 02:14:45 pm »
I believe the heavier springs appeared in 2011 and are being retrofitted to earlier models by dealers, at least in cases where the bikes are under warranty, and I believe even at least some that are not.

The heavier springs reduce but have not eliminated the switch sticking 'on' problem; I know of a '13 that got stuck on a trip and the new, heavier spring was replaced with the new, heavier spring :-) 

Changing the spring is quite easy; getting to where the spring can be changed is not and requires a couple of security bolts be drilled out from underneath the ignition switch assembly so it can be disassembled. I can be done by the shade tree mechanic but it is a fairly ugly job best left to a competent dealer if they will take care of it.

Sooner or alter, and it looks like it will be later, Kawasaki should re-fit this system with a positive- return system where the key will be rigidly attached (easy boys!) to the activation switch. This would not only show that the switch had stuck in the down or 'ON' position but would allow the operator to manually lift the key and switch with absolutely certainly.

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I know dealers were replacing this spring in the 2008 models with the newer heavier version....for a while...not sure if they still are or not. Like I said, if you clean it up and lubricate it, it will work just fine, even with the original 'weak' spring.
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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2014, 03:19:50 pm »
ive just tried the disconect the grey plug method in case i ever need this. With my Fob in range ive unplugged the grey box, nothing happens there is no click. to turn the key I still have to push down for the click

will this method allow the bike to be started without the fob?

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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2014, 03:30:04 pm »
Yep, that is one method to get around a stuck switch. Clunky and cumbersome though- there are other, 'slicker' methods but I do not want to belabor that point.

No, you cannot start a C-14 without a valid, working fob that the bike has been coded to recognize. Any bypass methods we are talking about simply bypass the activation switch, not KiPass itself. KiPass cannot be bypassed using any feasible, practical method.

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ive just tried the disconect the grey plug method in case i ever need this. With my Fob in range ive unplugged the grey box, nothing happens there is no click. to turn the key I still have to push down for the click

will this method allow the bike to be started without the fob?
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Re: Ignition will not open?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2014, 03:58:09 pm »
Yep, that is one method to get around a stuck switch. Clunky and cumbersome though- there are other, 'slicker' methods but I do not want to belabor that point.

No, you cannot start a C-14 without a valid, working fob that the bike has been coded to recognize. Any bypass methods we are talking about simply bypass the activation switch, not KiPass itself. KiPass cannot be bypassed using any feasible, practical method.

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When I unplug/plug  the grey block it does not allow me to turn the key, what am i doing wrong? can you explain the procedure to me, just want to know this bypass in case i ever get stuck