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&%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« on: April 22, 2014, 01:34:30 pm »
Have had the bike a week and managed to drive off today with the damn FOB on the passenger seat and not in my pocket.  Re-traced my route twice, it's gone.

I found some older threads on replacing the FOB, and called the dealership...current rate for a new active transponder is, gulp, $299 + programming.

From what the dealer said, I can get replacement emergency/passive FOBs for about $35 and programming, downside is I have to hold it against the ignition to start the bike each time (I can live with that until I have an extra $300 lying around).  I didn't know if since last year's threads anyone has a line of less expensive options?

Thanks in advance (and shaking my head in shame)

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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2014, 01:51:02 pm »
Been there, done that. Just be sure that no matter where you buy a replacement, individual or dealer, you must have the number that comes on the packaging of the FOB to be able to install it.
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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 01:52:37 pm »
Look online for discount parts dealers for Kawasaki parts. I believe they are closer to $200, best price although that does not include the key that goes with the fob, if you even care or want that. And they you would have to have the key cut to work on your bike- a few more dollars. Also be aware that a dealer might not be too happy about (read: they will not) programming the bike to recognize the fob you purchased somewhere else.

So if that price includes the key and the key cut for your bike, it is not all that bad really. Programming the bike usually seems to run around 1/2 hour of labor but you might want to ask beforehand to avoid the surprise.

If you do not want to buy the main fob (the RF or remote fob) right now, I would suggest getting the RFID or 'credit card' fob just so that you have two. The real problem comes in when you lose your LAST fob because that requires a new KiPass ECU and they are even more expensive.

Another possibility is a used KiPass ECU and fobs that go with it; they might be fairly cheap now. But be careful because there is no way to know for sure that the fobs work with the ECU until it is in the bike and the bike is programmed to recognize it.

Best of luck whatever you do.

Brian

Have had the bike a week and managed to drive off today with the damn FOB on the passenger seat and not in my pocket.  Re-traced my route twice, it's gone.

I found some older threads on replacing the FOB, and called the dealership...current rate for a new active transponder is, gulp, $299 + programming.

From what the dealer said, I can get replacement emergency/passive FOBs for about $35 and programming, downside is I have to hold it against the ignition to start the bike each time (I can live with that until I have an extra $300 lying around).  I didn't know if since last year's threads anyone has a line of less expensive options?

Thanks in advance (and shaking my head in shame)

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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2014, 01:53:03 pm »
You should have been given 2 fobs at purchase, one active fob, and one passive one....if you didn't, the dealer has the passive one, and it belongs to you...
you cannot get either and get it programmed, without having at least one fob....

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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 02:13:17 pm »
I have the thin, "emergency"/spare (passive) FOB, have ordered two extras (at $35 each).

Will I have that nasty red light and "transponder missing" message every damn time I ride now, or will using the spare/passive FOB allow me to start and run the beast as normal?

Damn, I had my eye on so many better farkles for $300 worth of IRS refund this spring!
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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2014, 02:19:48 pm »
I saw this on a facebook page a few minutes ago:

Need to pass this on to others. Just bought a Concours 14 with one key fob. Now living in the middle of nowhere and the closest dealership is 60 miles away. I was looking for other options besides buying another fob and having it programmed. Answer is the local hardware store clones RFID keys and they were able to read the fob and clone a Ford truck key with the same ID. Tested it and it worked , which I hid on the bike for a spare. Cost $50.00 with no programming fee. FYI


I wonder if I could even do that if all I have is the passive spare FOB.  I'm guessing whatever "reader" is used is inside the store, which wouldn't work with the passive?

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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2014, 02:27:55 pm »
No, the system knows when you start the bike with the RFID fob and will not generate any warnings about 'not "seeing" the transponder' afterwards.

Yet another option is to glue the fob to the front of the ignition switch housing and just take the key with you when you leave the bike. That is what someone did a long time ago to get around dealing with KiPass (although KiPass is still there and operating of course). The only downsides that I can think of is that you  cannot lock the forks and remove the key. Otherwise, that method does allow the bike to be used as a conventional bike via the key.... Just a thought.

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Will I have that nasty red light and "transponder missing" message every damn time I ride now, or will using the spare/passive FOB allow me to start and run the beast as normal?

Damn, I had my eye on so many better farkles for $300 worth of IRS refund this spring!
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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2014, 02:29:17 pm »
It might work. Some automotive systems use an RFID inductor in the key and that is quite similar to the RFID fob on a C-14. ??

Brian

I saw this on a facebook page a few minutes ago:

Need to pass this on to others. Just bought a Concours 14 with one key fob. Now living in the middle of nowhere and the closest dealership is 60 miles away. I was looking for other options besides buying another fob and having it programmed. Answer is the local hardware store clones RFID keys and they were able to read the fob and clone a Ford truck key with the same ID. Tested it and it worked , which I hid on the bike for a spare. Cost $50.00 with no programming fee. FYI


I wonder if I could even do that if all I have is the passive spare FOB.  I'm guessing whatever "reader" is used is inside the store, which wouldn't work with the passive?
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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2014, 02:30:27 pm »
I saw this on a facebook page a few minutes ago:

Need to pass this on to others. Just bought a Concours 14 with one key fob. Now living in the middle of nowhere and the closest dealership is 60 miles away. I was looking for other options besides buying another fob and having it programmed. Answer is the local hardware store clones RFID keys and they were able to read the fob and clone a Ford truck key with the same ID. Tested it and it worked , which I hid on the bike for a spare. Cost $50.00 with no programming fee. FYI


I wonder if I could even do that if all I have is the passive spare FOB.  I'm guessing whatever "reader" is used is inside the store, which wouldn't work with the passive?

Interesting... now we just need someone on this board to duplicate the results, and we would have a good backup plan.

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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2014, 04:19:11 pm »
Oh man that sucks, big fear here as I am not a fan of all this technology in the bike and I dread losing a FOB. I guess I should practice with the small credit card fob just so I know how it works if the time ever comes.

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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2014, 04:24:02 pm »
Oh man that sucks, big fear here as I am not a fan of all this technology in the bike and I dread losing a FOB. I guess I should practice with the small credit card fob just so I know how it works if the time ever comes.

at 1/10th the price, might be a good idea
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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2014, 05:07:22 pm »
Have had the bike a week and managed to drive off today with the damn FOB on the passenger seat and not in my pocket.  Re-traced my route twice, it's gone.

Follow my advice for the future, if you replace your active FOB.  Have a metal key made- $4.  Put THAT in your pocket (or the passive fob and key).  Put your active FOB in a zippered pocket in your jacket and NEVER TAKE IT OUT... it is highly unlikely you will not have your riding jacket with you or leave it behind  :)  Only issue is in the summer, if you want to leave the jacket locked in the bike... that is a no-no, since it would be in range of the ignition and allow someone to start the bike.  In those rare cases, I move the active FOB to my pocket.

As for the price... yep, it is a rip off.  But same ripoff for most cars now too.  They really should include TWO active fobs and one passive.
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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2014, 06:01:03 pm »
Just curious but I have to ask- why was the fob on the bike's seat in the first place? Why was the fob outside of your pocket at all?

I am curious because I cannot think of any reason why the fob would be, for lack of a better word, 'loose'. ?? Put the fob in a pants pocket,  just like a wallet, transfer it from pair of pants to next pair of pants and all will be well.... forever.

Brian

Have had the bike a week and managed to drive off today with the damn FOB on the passenger seat and not in my pocket.  Re-traced my route twice, it's gone.

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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2014, 06:04:57 pm »
Yeah, I respectfully disagree for some of those very reasons you mention- leaving a jacket on the bike, switching jackets (I have three I use under different circumstances), etc.

Put the RF fob in a front pants pocket and leave it there.... forever. Be done with it. Sure, you will have it at weddings, outside late at night, baying at the moon, etc., etc. but who cares? It is not heavy, it is not obtrusive and it always works fantastic in a pants pocket 'cause it is close to the RF receiver, which is under the seat. Most men learn to carry a wallet and not lose it- treat the fob the same way and all will be well.

I frankly cannot think of a reason to move a fob around to different gear, wear it around one's neck on a lanyard or anything else.

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Follow my advice for the future, if you replace your active FOB.  Have a metal key made- $4.  Put THAT in your pocket (or the passive fob and key).  Put your active FOB in a zippered pocket in your jacket and NEVER TAKE IT OUT... it is highly unlikely you will not have your riding jacket with you or leave it behind  :)  Only issue is in the summer, if you want to leave the jacket locked in the bike... that is a no-no, since it would be in range of the ignition and allow someone to start the bike.  In those rare cases, I move the active FOB to my pocket.


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Re: &%#$@&!!! Lost the FOB (one whole week!). Suggestions?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2014, 06:08:11 pm »
Just curious but I have to ask- why was the fob on the bike's seat in the first place? Why was the fob outside of your pocket at all?

I am curious because I cannot think of any reason why the fob would be, for lack of a better word, 'loose'. ?? Put the fob in a pants pocket,  just like a wallet, transfer it from pair of pants to next pair of pants and all will be well.... forever.

Brian


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