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Offline Conrad

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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2015, 06:22:53 am »
Metal roofs are fairly popular out here, they don't catch on fire. Discount on homeowners insurance.

They 'sweat', need a real waterproof underlayment (15-30lb felt just don't cut it)

They sound neat when it rains. Real neat in a hail storm. Snow can be a minor(?) issue, especially when it cuts loose all at once :)

Roof penetrations (any penetration) can be leak points, and often are. Same for valleys. Composition shingles 'flex', the whole panel(s) move on metal.

Durability is generally longer than composition shingles, I wouldn't call them life time though.

They dent (big hail, big branches, 400 lb gorilla), they're real slippery when wet, the color fades over time. Roof repairs end up looking like a checkerboard.

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The entire roof will be covered with a rubber ice/water shield first. They say that this offers some sound deadening too but I'm not really worried about that.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2015, 06:28:30 am »
Not inexpensive, but when installed by the right contractor they are very good.
http://decra.com/


The 3 companies that gave me estimates did offer to install the Decra metal but it was WAY more money than we wanted to spend.

Here's the color chart, looks like we'll be going with Med Bronze.

https://www.pac-clad.com/color-availability-chart/
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2015, 05:48:16 am »
Metal roofs are fairly popular out here, they don't catch on fire. Discount on homeowners insurance.

They 'sweat', need a real waterproof underlayment (15-30lb felt just don't cut it)

They sound neat when it rains. Real neat in a hail storm. Snow can be a minor(?) issue, especially when it cuts loose all at once :)

Roof penetrations (any penetration) can be leak points, and often are. Same for valleys. Composition shingles 'flex', the whole panel(s) move on metal.

Durability is generally longer than composition shingles, I wouldn't call them life time though.

They dent (big hail, big branches, 400 lb gorilla), they're real slippery when wet, the color fades over time. Roof repairs end up looking like a checkerboard.

Rick

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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2015, 12:29:05 pm »
Conrad will be up there applying the yearly polyglycoat.   ::)

And the gorilla repellant.    ;)

One major benefit of a metal roof. It'll be way more difficult for 'them' to read my mind from orbit and I won't have to wear that silly tinfoil hat in the house any longer.  :)
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2015, 01:10:22 pm »
Can you actually 'walk' on a metal roof without damage to the panels?
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2015, 01:25:56 pm »
I don't see why not. They are mounted directly to the roof. I would however wear soft soled shoes if it were me. Just don't walk on the ridges.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2015, 01:45:05 pm »
No experience with metal roofs but I have always found it interesting that they are a regional thing; virtually unknown in southern New England, they are the common roof material in northern New England. That is actually changing a bit lately with a few showing up here (southern N.E.) in the last few years.

I am right in the middle of the 'terror phase' with my roof- it needs a new roof also, but am not yet sure how far down. Worst case possible will be all the way down to the walls :-( 

Brian

Anyone here ever have a metal roof installed on their house? My wife and I installed the shingled roof we now have (that's right, just the two of us) and it's time for a new roof (unrelated to the recent storm) and we'll be having a standing seam (concealed fastener) system installed sometime in the next couple of months.

We're not doing the install this time as my wife refuses to get on the roof again, EVER.

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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2015, 02:17:29 pm »
Can you actually 'walk' on a metal roof without damage to the panels?

I asked the same question and the answer is yes. But the panels can be VERY slippery when wet.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2015, 02:51:17 pm »
That is nothing really problematic though....

http://metro.co.uk/2014/05/22/x-men-fan-invents-magnetic-shoes-so-he-can-walk-on-ceilings-but-only-metal-ones-4737271/

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I asked the same question and the answer is yes. But the panels can be VERY slippery when wet.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2015, 05:36:45 am »
I don't see why not. They are mounted directly to the roof. I would however wear soft soled shoes if it were me. Just don't walk on the ridges.

In some applications they will still put battens and attach the metal to the battens.  That provides an air gap between the metal and the structure.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2015, 06:15:33 am »
I agree there. You might ask the installer for info. I know I found this for one installer:
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Protective heavy-duty gloves should be worn when handling metal panels and trim.  Safety
goggles and hearing protection should be worn while cutting or drilling panels.  Extreme
care should be used when walking, standing, sitting, or kneeling on a metal roof.  They can
be extremely slippery when wet.  When walking on the roof panels, walk only on the flats. 
Traffic over the installed system must be kept to an absolute minimum.  Installers should
wear rubber sole shoes to keep from scuffing material while walking on the roof.

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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2015, 07:36:48 am »
Conrad,
I'm pretty familiar with them. Installed one on my parents house a while back.

If you live in an area that gets a lot of hail, I know it costs more, but everyone around Oklahoma recommends spending the extra $$ and going with the heavier guage sheet metal. Less prone to hail damage/dents.

Usually, once the liner material has been laid on the roof, there's 1"x4" planking that's nailed/screwed on before the metal goes on... but not always. Most metal companies want this, and affects warranty.
Walking on this type of installation becomes more tricky, to avoid denting, since it's raised.

But, I will say, it goes on fast, and lasts.
And, as someone else stated, helps to externally fireproof the roof. Now, it doesn't help if a fire is internally started... But say a neighbor's house nearby catches on fire, or a grassfire happens, or flying embers from a fireplace happens to land on your metal roof... It helps.

But, as mentioned... it's a lot slicker to get on! Roof pitch can really make a difference.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2015, 11:50:07 am »
I've had one on my house for about eight years. Still looks great. As a matter of fact, if you want to see mine, it's on the Mueller website on the CF (concealed fastener) page.
http://www.muellerinc.com/metal-roofing/panel-types/cf-panel
I've got some other pictures that Mueller took of my house that were taken from a cherry picker way up in the air, if anyone is interested. There are a couple more in their photo gallery.
http://www.muellerinc.com/gallery/roofing/photos/metal-roofing/cf-saddle-leather-brown-04/cf-saddle-leather-brown-1-216#joomimg

You can get a pretty hefty discount on your homeowner insurance as long as you sign a cosmetic waiver that they only have to repair when it leaks, not just dented. I can tell you that I've had some pretty good Texas hail storms and you can't see any dents at all. If you think about it, the steel is pretty much laying directly on the decking, so there's not much flex to cause a dent when something hits it. I've always been told that you just have to wait for a really hot day (not unusual down here) for any dents to pop out.

They're expensive, but in my case it has almost paid for itself in my reduced insurance cost. I think my original calculations were that it would take eight or nine years to pay for the difference between a metal roof and a standard shingle roof. Quite a few of my neighbors have them.

Mueller offers a 20 or 30 year paint warranty. I don't know if that includes fading, but I'm pretty sure mine hasn't changed much in spite of the Texas sun/heat.

They're slick to walk on, even when dry. You get a fine layer of dust on them and they're like a ski slope. Get them wet and I wouldn't even think about going up there.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2015, 03:20:15 pm »
We did our family's house when I was a teenager (a long time ago) and the best thing I remember using was the gloves with the little rubber nubs on the palms and fingers - sometimes hard to get a good grip on a sheet, especially the longer (heavier) ones...   Rubberized kneepads were helpful too...

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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2015, 03:44:08 pm »
Anyplace else wearing rubber helps when doing this kind of work?

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We did our family's house when I was a teenager (a long time ago) and the best thing I remember using was the gloves with the little rubber nubs on the palms and fingers - sometimes hard to get a good grip on a sheet, especially the longer (heavier) ones...   Rubberized kneepads were helpful too...

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