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Offline Conrad

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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2015, 04:47:26 am »
Conrad,
I'm pretty familiar with them. Installed one on my parents house a while back.

If you live in an area that gets a lot of hail, I know it costs more, but everyone around Oklahoma recommends spending the extra $$ and going with the heavier guage sheet metal. Less prone to hail damage/dents.

Usually, once the liner material has been laid on the roof, there's 1"x4" planking that's nailed/screwed on before the metal goes on... but not always. Most metal companies want this, and affects warranty.
Walking on this type of installation becomes more tricky, to avoid denting, since it's raised.

But, I will say, it goes on fast, and lasts.
And, as someone else stated, helps to externally fireproof the roof. Now, it doesn't help if a fire is internally started... But say a neighbor's house nearby catches on fire, or a grassfire happens, or flying embers from a fireplace happens to land on your metal roof... It helps.

But, as mentioned... it's a lot slicker to get on! Roof pitch can really make a difference.

The metal that's going on my roof will be 24 gauge and this system is designed to go right over top of the decking, with the rubber membrane in between of course. Two of the other quotes that I got had the spacers under the metal along with the plastic battens as well. Those two quotes were ~30% higher than the quotes without the spacers and battens. I did question this and double checked with the warranty requirements on the system that will be used on my house. As I said, this system is designed to be used without the spacers and battens.  It also has a 20 year fade warranty.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2015, 04:52:48 am »
I've had one on my house for about eight years. Still looks great. As a matter of fact, if you want to see mine, it's on the Mueller website on the CF (concealed fastener) page.
http://www.muellerinc.com/metal-roofing/panel-types/cf-panel
I've got some other pictures that Mueller took of my house that were taken from a cherry picker way up in the air, if anyone is interested. There are a couple more in their photo gallery.
http://www.muellerinc.com/gallery/roofing/photos/metal-roofing/cf-saddle-leather-brown-04/cf-saddle-leather-brown-1-216#joomimg

You can get a pretty hefty discount on your homeowner insurance as long as you sign a cosmetic waiver that they only have to repair when it leaks, not just dented. I can tell you that I've had some pretty good Texas hail storms and you can't see any dents at all. If you think about it, the steel is pretty much laying directly on the decking, so there's not much flex to cause a dent when something hits it. I've always been told that you just have to wait for a really hot day (not unusual down here) for any dents to pop out.

They're expensive, but in my case it has almost paid for itself in my reduced insurance cost. I think my original calculations were that it would take eight or nine years to pay for the difference between a metal roof and a standard shingle roof. Quite a few of my neighbors have them.

Mueller offers a 20 or 30 year paint warranty. I don't know if that includes fading, but I'm pretty sure mine hasn't changed much in spite of the Texas sun/heat.

They're slick to walk on, even when dry. You get a fine layer of dust on them and they're like a ski slope. Get them wet and I wouldn't even think about going up there.


Thanks for the info and the pics Wally, your house looks great! What color is that?
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2015, 11:34:27 am »
Thanks for the info and the pics Wally, your house looks great! What color is that?

It's called Saddle Leather Brown. I think mine has a 20 year paint warranty. The 30 year warranty is only available on a limited number of colors and my color is the one that SWMBO wanted.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2015, 05:00:31 am »
It's called Saddle Leather Brown. I think mine has a 20 year paint warranty. The 30 year warranty is only available on a limited number of colors and my color is the one that SWMBO wanted.

Yeah, I know how that goes with SWMBO. Happy wife happy life.

I'd like a lighter more reflective color but she would like a dark color. It's not that big a deal to me so she can have her dark color. Besides, the med bronze is one of the company's 'cool colors'. Meaning that it's been treated with a reflective coating of some kind and it stays cooler in the sun than it would otherwise be.
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2015, 05:37:07 am »
My metal roofing job was started on 7/24. The tear off crew showed up that Friday and did their thing in less than 5 hours. Tore off the old roofing materials, replaced any decking that needed it, and then covered the entire roof with a ice/water membrane. The did a crappy job and I had to go up on the roof after they left and the pull nails out that were left sticking through the membrane and then patch the holes. 90 holes on one side of the roof!

On 7/25 the metal guys showed up, only two men!  >:(

A job that was supposed to take two days is now going on it's second week!!! WTF!!!

If that wasn't bad enough, the :censored: guy who was supposed to know what he's doing, doesn't. I am SO :censored: mad over this!!! Plus it looks like they didn't order enough metal to finish the job, they are short two 20 foot pieces. I'll be calling the owner of the company today and demand that he come and look at the poor job that his man has done. I have a bad feeling that I'll be calling my lawyer over this. I paid half of the cost of the roof up front with the remainder due at completion.

Anyone ever been in a situation like this?
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Re: Metal roof and mad as hell!
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2015, 06:06:52 am »
What a hassle, C. You been taking pictures?
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Re: Metal roof and mad as hell!
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2015, 09:33:07 am »
When you discovered the fasteners thru the membrane they should have been back replacing it all.
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Re: Metal roof and mad as hell!
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2015, 11:21:48 am »
Did you go through the manufacturer to get an installer, or did you go through an installer that uses that brand of roofing? Just curious.

I would have been calling the manager when I had the first problem with the nails.
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Re: Metal roof and mad as hell!
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2015, 11:50:43 am »
Yeah, I have lots of pics and I documented everything.

I spoke with the owner this morning and he was aware that the job is short two long sections of metal. He claims that the metal will be here on Wednesday. How it got ordered and done in time to be here on Wednesday I don't know. They must have known of the shortage from the start.

I went through my list of concerns with him over the phone and he's coming by on Wednesday so that I can show him exactly what I'm talking about. He tells me that the guy who did the estimate is partly to blame for the shortage and for the job taking WAY longer than it should have. He says that's no excuse but there it is. The estimator not only screwed up the amount of materials needed but also how long the job should take. The owner says that the job was estimated to take 42 hours for a two man team (after the tear off) and is now at 58 hours and counting. He says that he's loosing money on this job but when it's done I'll be 100% satisfied. I doubt that...

I've come to find out that the guy leading the two man team that's doing the install is actually working this job as a side job and he has a full time day job that he works during the day and that's why he can't work on my roof full time, he only works on it during the evenings and the weekends. WTF?
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Re: Metal roof and mad as hell!
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2015, 12:01:28 pm »
Did you go through the manufacturer to get an installer, or did you go through an installer that uses that brand of roofing? Just curious.

I would have been calling the manager when I had the first problem with the nails.

I checked with several people that I know that had roofs installed and asked for their recommendations. My wife did the same and from there I selected three companies with high ratings to come and give me an estimate. As it turns out, the company that I initially liked the best, and had the best rating, ended up having the lowest bid. No brainer right? Wrong.

Here's another thing that should have been a red flag for me. It turns out that the estimator showed me the wrong metal product for our roof. Not wrong really but it was a heaver gauge (24 instead of 26) commercial roofing product. This was written into the contract but I was charged for a 26 gauge residential metal. The owner told me of this goof up a while back and that his company would have to eat at least $2k because of this mistake. Things that make you go hmmmm.   
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2015, 01:54:36 pm »
Wow, really sorry to hear this Conrad. I hope it all works out for you in the end but even if it does, this will be an unpleasant memory and emotional loss forever.  :(  These situations are always extremely stressful on the people trying to get the project done.

Brian

My metal roofing job was started on 7/24. The tear off crew showed up that Friday and did their thing in less than 5 hours. Tore off the old roofing materials, replaced any decking that needed it, and then covered the entire roof with a ice/water membrane. The did a crappy job and I had to go up on the roof after they left and the pull nails out that were left sticking through the membrane and then patch the holes. 90 holes on one side of the roof!

On 7/25 the metal guys showed up, only two men!  >:(

A job that was supposed to take two days is now going on it's second week!!! WTF!!!

If that wasn't bad enough, the :censored: guy who was supposed to know what he's doing, doesn't. I am SO :censored: mad over this!!! Plus it looks like they didn't order enough metal to finish the job, they are short two 20 foot pieces. I'll be calling the owner of the company today and demand that he come and look at the poor job that his man has done. I have a bad feeling that I'll be calling my lawyer over this. I paid half of the cost of the roof up front with the remainder due at completion.

Anyone ever been in a situation like this?
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Re: Metal roof
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2015, 04:51:16 am »
Wow, really sorry to hear this Conrad. I hope it all works out for you in the end but even if it does, this will be an unpleasant memory and emotional loss forever.  :(  These situations are always extremely stressful on the people trying to get the project done.

Brian

Stressful is the right word Brian! Thanks for your condolences. We'll get it sorted out, eventually.
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Re: Metal roof and mad as hell!
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2015, 09:27:58 am »
So the owner and one of his guys came by on Wednesday as I said above. They took a lot of their own pics and addressed all of my concerns, saying all the right things at the time. They admitted that several things were not done correctly and that they would all be fixed and that I would be 100% satisfied once they were done. I told him that unless he could turn back time that there's no way in hell that I'll be 100% satisfied with the work done.

As we were up on the roof I noticed that three of the panels on one side of the roof are too short and the top edges of these three do not go under the ridge cap as they should, short by at least two inches. I pointed these out to the guy and he stated that he knew about these and that new panels have been ordered. WTF?

The two panels that were supposed to be coming in on that Wednesday did not come in, surprise!

The :censored: owner keeps telling me that he'll call me and let me know what's going on. Does he? Hell no! Another surprise.    >:(
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Re: Metal roof and mad as hell!
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2015, 01:23:40 pm »
Were these guys in the BBB database or even Angie's List?
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Re: Metal roof and mad as hell!
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2015, 02:13:18 pm »
Is he guaranteeing perfect color match between 3(?) different metal orders?  ::)
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