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Offline GeeBeav

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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2011, 09:30:20 am »
Like I always say...I would buy a Harley or even an Indian...IF they had a decent engineer.

They probably do have some decent engineers . . . but they aren't allowed to do anything that disturbs the "look" or "sound".
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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2011, 09:31:45 am »
Harley is in the business of selling tradition and image. The air cooled, push rod, single pin crank V twin engine is their signature. They should never stop building that.

BMW and Ducati have signature engines, too. That hasn't stopped them from progressing.
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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2011, 09:42:18 am »
I remember when the Evo engine came out the Faithful said it wasn't a real Harley. Now you can't even get them to look at a Shovel-they are considered to be junk. heck, most HD dealers won't even work on a Shovel engined HD.
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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2011, 10:36:00 am »
BMW and Ducati have signature engines, too. That hasn't stopped them from progressing.

But those companies are known for being the forefront of R&D.  Yes, they have signature engines, but they have also been improving the engines since day one, so that's a normal thing to them.  Harley is known for their image and not changing much at all, so not changing is normal for them.  If they stop being the "normal" Harley-Davidson, people will freak out (Or at least the Harley dudes). 
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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2011, 10:44:53 am »
I'd buy an air-cooled Harley (just kidding, but using that line for this thread)**** but I bathe to often...hahhahahaha

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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2011, 10:45:12 am »
I have an 03 Vrod, it's a GREAT bike, however I call it the "purgatory bike", not in heaven- not in hell.  The Harley group doesn't except you cause your on a "liquid cooled bike designed by Porsche" the Jap group doesn't except you cause your on a "Harley"...  Therefore not in heaven or hell...kinda stuck in the middle.  Like I've said here earlier, don't care.  It is a GREAT bike though, and I just love pissing off all those narrow minded dolts.

The V-Rods and the now-departed Buell were the ONLY Hardleys I ever considered owning in 40 years of riding. And yes, I've ridden the "real" HDs, so I know what I'm "missing."

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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2011, 11:53:05 am »
so....  did i miss something?  like what they're doing about there horrid suspension performance, or weight issues?  or are they only introducing 1970's water cooling technology for now?
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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2011, 12:46:08 pm »
I would like to see a vrod engine in a touring bike.

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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2011, 02:30:38 pm »
Wasn't that V-Rod engine was supposed to go into some sort of Buell super sport, right up until harley "enjuneering" got involved?  I seem to remember reading something about that in Cycle World just after they axed the Buell division.

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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2011, 02:43:10 pm »
Wasn't that V-Rod engine was supposed to go into some sort of Buell super sport, right up until harley "enjuneering" got involved?  I seem to remember reading something about that in Cycle World just after they axed the Buell division.

I didn't see that, but the engine was developed for superbike racing. They ran a couple of seasons IIRC, got no results to speak of. Rather than further develop the engine, H-D dropped out. Later showed up in the V-Rod.
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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2011, 06:38:43 pm »
Wasn't that V-Rod engine was supposed to go into some sort of Buell super sport, right up until harley "enjuneering" got involved?  I seem to remember reading something about that in Cycle World just after they axed the Buell division.

I remember reading that more than once as well when the VRod first showed up. They were quoting various HD brass. It was supposed to eventually end up in a Buell.

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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2011, 07:07:46 pm »
I didn't see that, but the engine was developed for superbike racing. They ran a couple of seasons IIRC, got no results to speak of. Rather than further develop the engine, H-D dropped out. Later showed up in the V-Rod.



The VR1000 superbike engine and the V-Rod engine are completely different engines. The superbike engine was patterened after the sportster engine.
If I remember right the V-Rod engine was designed in the lat 80's early 90's as the Nova project and was shelved as being too radical and not the "traditional" Harley that everyone wanted.
A lot of the testing for the VR1000 was done at Gratton raceway, The bike was ridden by Pacal Picotte and another fast Canadian rider( don't remember his name) in the AMA superbike series and never did very well.

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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2011, 08:09:15 pm »
The VR1000 superbike engine and the V-Rod engine are completely different engines. The superbike engine was patterened after the sportster engine.
If I remember right the V-Rod engine was designed in the lat 80's early 90's as the Nova project and was shelved as being too radical and not the "traditional" Harley that everyone wanted.
A lot of the testing for the VR1000 was done at Gratton raceway, The bike was ridden by Pacal Picotte and another fast Canadian rider( don't remember his name) in the AMA superbike series and never did very well.

The Nova project was a 4 cylinder that never got off the ground. The VR1000 was designed/built by H-D and Rousch racing. It had water cooling and overhead cams, so don't know how much sportster could be in it. The V-Rod engine was developed by Porsche, "loosely based" on the VR1000.
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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2011, 10:05:04 pm »
I gotta say, that bike on EBR's front page looks very sweet!

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Re: Harley finally enters the 19th century!
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2011, 03:32:39 am »
I personally think it is pretty brilliant.......and HD has plenty of tech and engineering behind them, they just build "exactly" what their buyers tend to want. My neighbor just bought a new 2011 Street Glide, and it is a seriously seriously nice bike!
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