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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2016, 03:48:11 pm »
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The next challenge are the front turn signals (or running lights).  First, I strongly recommend my modification to turn the front lights into "running lights" so they light ALL the time and blink OFF to function as turn signals.  It greatly improves the side visibility of the bike which improves safety.  If interested, see:  http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=2236

The fronts are particularly challenging because it requires disassembly of a lot of stuff to get to the bulbs (the center cover, the side dash trims, the mid fairing, and finally the front fairing.  One note- you do not have to completely remove the mid fairing, just enough to get to one bolt that holds the front fairing (especially useful if you installed crash bars).  And you don't have to remove the bottom rivet or pull off the front fairing all the way to reach end and gain access to the bulb.

The comparison/results can be seen below.  Again, I provided some low-exposure photos so you can actually see the two bulbs instead of just bright blobs.

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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2016, 03:53:05 pm »
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And the final photos.

So far I am very impressed, and for half the price the inferior bulbs were in the past.  The big question is- will they last?  That is hard to say right now.  The thing that kills LED bulbs is usually heat.  The brighter the bulb, the more heat, and it is hard to get rid of that heat when sealed inside a tiny air/water tight chamber.  JDM Astar bulbs include a 1 year warranty.  I will update this serious of postings with additional information in the future.

JDM Astar has lots of bulbs.  I also had great success with their 194 bulbs for the "city lights" which you can read about here: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=18301.msg265940#msg265940

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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2016, 03:49:07 pm »
Footnote- there was some earlier chat about the bike "freaking out" when using the solid state flasher "relay" unit- if you turn the ignition off while the flasher was already is in use (on).  I meant to report earlier that this is absolutely true.  I have no idea exactly why, but it is quite scary.  The display/computer goes crazy flashing on and off and lots of relays clicking and so on (at least it did with the model I used).  Can't be good for the bike.

I just had never had that happen to me before because I had never left the flashers on when turning off the bike, until recently (even though I meant to test it earlier).
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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2016, 06:47:34 am »
Great write up Max! I will soon be following in your footsteps. The biggest hurdle right now is obtaining the flasher. Every place that I searched for the DMP  LED Flasher, is sold out.


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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2016, 03:35:00 pm »
Great write up Max! I will soon be following in your footsteps. The biggest hurdle right now is obtaining the flasher. Every place that I searched for the DMP  LED Flasher, is sold out.

It is probably not the only one that will work, but the only one I can vouch for.  You might have to try a different one.  The flasher is pretty easy to replace (compared to the front bulbs!)
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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2016, 05:41:30 pm »
I want to give props to Gigantor for getting us started down this path (I'm sure others have, too) and, especially, maxtog for all the work he has done recommending and showing off the JDM astar LED lights. I did my city lights the other day and just finished my front and rear blinkers and want to give some more options.

First, JDM is the real deal. I'm impressed with the lights we've found- both packaging and product. If they last as long as they should, then we have a real winner. The lights are extremely bright- way brighter than the filament bulbs they replaced- and are well worth the upgrade IMO. I purchased two pair of city lights and three pair of blinkers so I would have two spares for each application.

Here's a review of what I did, and I may have a special surprise for some of you interested in doing this project. My stuff:



My bulbs arrived directly from JDM via USPS as a 2-pack and a 4-pack (I had already removed two of the bulbs from the shown 4-pack). These were $18/pair through amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4W686/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I also ordered the flasher relay shown through amazon and it works perfectly https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RM26LXO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. Incidentally, it is called iJDMTOY, but there's no connection to JDM astar.

Also shown is the OE flasher relay and a little square rubber bumper that fell out of the bike as I was installing the flasher relay. Anybody know where this goes? I couldn't find it, but the adhesive on one side had dried up a little, I suppose.

So here is a pic of the relay I installed upside down so that the mounting tab would just slide into the slot where the OE relay was held in place by the rubber holder. This seemed better than taking that off and tie wrapping.



For reference, here's a closeup of the OE and JDM bulbs.



Okay, now for the surprise. It seemed foolish to pull the bike apart just to change the two blinker bulbs and I wasn't looking forward to it. There had to be a better way… and there was! You don't have to take the bike apart to get to the front bulbs. Remove the two hex head screws above the chrome Kawasaki badge and the two Phillips screws in the wheel well (one is at the top corner next to the blinker lens; the other is down low near the radiator). Once you do this, you can pry back on the fairing with your finger and access the bulb socket (it's light grey with the green and yellow wires). Twist and pull out. I changed both bulbs in about 10 minutes with no stress placed on the fairing.



Being able to do that made this an especially satisfying upgrade. So now there's another source for a flasher relay and a better way to change the front bulb. Hope this helps.
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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2016, 06:43:18 pm »
Okay, now for the surprise. It seemed foolish to pull the bike apart just to change the two blinker bulbs and I wasn't looking forward to it. There had to be a better way… and there was! You don't have to take the bike apart to get to the front bulbs. Remove the two hex head screws above the chrome Kawasaki badge and the two Phillips screws in the wheel well (one is at the top corner next to the blinker lens; the other is down low near the radiator). Once you do this, you can pry back on the fairing with your finger and access the bulb socket (it's light grey with the green and yellow wires). Twist and pull out. I changed both bulbs in about 10 minutes with no stress placed on the fairing.

Interesting.  On mine, there is a large bolt that holds the "Kawasaki" panel which is BEHIND the panel beside it, and it is impossible to pry back that Kawasaki panel without removing the bolt which also requires removing the panel next to it.   The three panels are all keyed into each other with tabs, too.  The factory manual agrees with me.  Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I am about 90% sure on this.  The question then becomes- is my memory faulty?  Or are you just missing those two bolts on yours?  Or is it just the tabs and you broke some?  Or did they actually change that on later years (seems very improbable).  Inquiring minds!
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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2016, 06:59:44 pm »
I will be happy to look again, but let's rule out a couple of things. Mine is a 2011, same as yours. I've never had the bike apart before, so no broken tabs. I bought the bike new, so no one else broke tabs (well, you know...). Nothing popped when I ppied back. I have a service manual; will look and report back.

That didn't take long. I don't see anything in the SM that would prevent anyone from doing what I did. Notice I pried from the front of the bike and reached into the nose of the bike from the front to get the socket. You must be talking about getting to the socket from the rear, between the upper and middle fairings where all the tabs are. No tabs or bolts from the front.

Notice in my pic you can see the radiator? I'm in front of the bike.
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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2016, 07:31:00 pm »
Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I am about 90% sure on this. 

I agree, your memory is faulty.

Joking 'max, yes I don't see how it would work as shown in his photo if that one screw is in place at the upper rear. A larger photo would help but it appears that the upper rear of the panel is out on his and I just don't see how that would happen if the bolt located there is in place. There really is only one two tabs there so they might be flexible enough to work if that bolt isn't in place. The adjacent panel really tabs into the inner panel.

Well I just came in from the garage and I couldn't get it to work (2010). I pulled the four screws but it was still too firmly attached at the rear for me to feel comfortable to apply any more bending pressure from the front, got a couple of fingers in but that's it (easy boys). Too bad as that would have been really convenient if it worked.  :(

Here is the picture of mine when I was doing horn work, the hole at the upper right above the clear air line and below the well nut is where the bolt we are referring to goes through.

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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2016, 08:06:23 pm »
That didn't take long. I don't see anything in the SM that would prevent anyone from doing what I did. Notice I pried from the front of the bike and reached into the nose of the bike from the front to get the socket. You must be talking about getting to the socket from the rear, between the upper and middle fairings where all the tabs are. No tabs or bolts from the front.

Nope, I wasn't (I don't know what max' was referring to but then I never do...joking again max') I was referring to the front, you see that little inverted triangle of light that you have in your photo at the rear of the panel as you pull it out Dad'flip? Mine doesn't do that because there is a screw there going through the rear of that panel into a frame stay. I'm not trying to shoot down your idea, I wanted it to work I really did. Maybe I'm just too chicken to put that much force on mine, although I've been sort of brutal on it as many times as I've had it apart in the past.

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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2016, 09:04:49 pm »
Thanks guys; that's what we're here for- to work it out. Okay, I blew up the 'triangle of light' photo and you will see that it is a reflection off the bike above the Kawasaki panel, which is still intact (look closely). Good eye fm; I didn't notice it at first.  Click on all these photos to make them much bigger.



So I went out and took the bike apart again.  In fm's photo, I removed the four screws that make a backwards '7' across the top and down the left edge of that panel. The big bolt stays in place in the hole in the top right. Taking out those four screws and pulling on the front corner of the Kawasaki panel reveals the inside with the blinker bulb socket.



If I hold that with my finger and back away with the camera, you can see that the Kawasaki panel is still connected to the middle fairing attached with the big bolt. The Kawasaki panel is not pulled out and away from the middle fairing or creating a triangle of light.



The gap in the front corner is almost three inches, enough for me to get my hand in up to my wrist and place my fingers easily on the bulb socket.



Backing the camera up a little bit and holding my hand in place, you can see better how much access I have.  It's really not putting stress on the other panels and the four screws holes line back up easily. I don't have any problems with it. BTW, the distance between the well nut and the hole in the Kawasaki panel shown here is abut 1.75 inches.



Is there something missing on my bike that I need to look for? Both sides are exactly the same, so I would be missing it on both sides, which is less likely if there were a major issue. Are you willing to try again fm?
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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2016, 09:21:50 pm »
Thanks guys; that's what we're here for- to work it out. Okay, I blew up the 'triangle of light' photo and you will see that it is a reflection off the bike above the Kawasaki panel, which is still intact (look closely). Good eye fm; I didn't notice it at first.  Click on all these photos to make them much bigger

AH SOOOOO...I see it now, the reflection that I thought was a gap. That's what I get for joking with max'. Thanks Dad'flip.

Are you willing to try again fm?

Yes, but not tonight. I just ordered the LEDs and a flasher from Amazon so I'm going to wait until they get here. I'll report back when I do the install.
Thanks for checking on that for us.  :thumbs:

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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2016, 09:28:50 pm »
As much as I try, I can't make sense of the photos.  But I do appreciate them and the info.  I look forward to more information because it really is a total PITA to get to those bulbs and a better method is a huge bonus!  In any case, I am very glad everyone is happy with these bulbs!
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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2016, 09:40:02 pm »
Do you mean I am providing poor photos (angle, perspective, distance, etc.) or you just can't wrap your head around what I'm doing?
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Re: Led Turn signal bulbs
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2016, 10:01:51 pm »
I don't know if I'm making this better or worse by getting my wife to take photos of me demonstrating in my boxer shorts, but here goes. (Click on all photos to make them much larger.) Okay, I'm sitting in a folding chair in front of the bike with the four screws already removed and my finger on the point/corner of the Kawasaki panel.  I have not pulled it back yet.



Now I have applied a little pressure and pulled that corner away from the upper fairing. The light grey thing just inches away from my finger is the bulb socket.



Same position but change the camera angle. Disregard the gut.



Camera back over my left shoulder looking at my hand inside the panel on the bulb socket.



Drop the camera down to radiator level and see the gap between the Kawasaki panel and the inner fairing.



I don't recall the specific reason for this shot, but another showing easy access between these panels.

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