Author Topic: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?  (Read 13705 times)

Offline KevinRLi

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2015, 01:32:56 pm »
Ok there you have it. Broke a tooth off of third gear. Order for parts went in today. Hopefully they will be in early next week and I'm back in the saddle by end of next week. My magnetic oil plug did grab the broken tooth to prevent damage to other things if it was left to bounce around. I just changed the oil about a week before all this happened. Nothing was on the plug when I changed it.

While the bike is in the shop I'm having them change the plugs and check the valves. Saves me the cost of labor to open everything up.

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2015, 03:46:47 pm »
Ask for a shim map when they check the valves.

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2015, 06:13:53 am »
Yeah, who needs third anyway.
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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2015, 12:38:55 pm »
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Rough luck.

I assume they are also changing the driven gear?  it must have had a rough time when that broke.... and if the gears had a rough time so did the bearings on both shafts.

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2015, 05:53:15 pm »
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Rough luck.

I assume they are also changing the driven gear?  it must have had a rough time when that broke.... and if the gears had a rough time so did the bearings on both shafts.

Richard

I think you are thinking what a lot of us are thinking- this bike had a rough life.

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2015, 01:13:18 pm »
I think you are thinking what a lot of us are thinking- this bike had a rough life.

I certainly hope you're wrong, especially the past tense part. Mine has more miles on it than Kevin's does and it seems as good as new after they replaced my 3-4 gear (mine broke the tooth on 4th). My replacement gears had a different part number than the original so I'm hoping  that is because they are made better (humming beautiful dreamer goes here ).

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2015, 02:55:19 pm »
so this '10 is exhibiting what iirc the fourth catastrophic gear tooth failure in the last 6-7 months.... I see a progression coming here, and hating to be the harbinger of death, I'm thinking wholeheartedly there is, and has been noted by kaw, a severe  and repeatedly documented metalurgy/production issue on these gears... specific to '10 thru '12 production....

if we, as a small cross seftion of owners are documenting this, as many times as we have seen this year, multiply this by x100 and you will see a serious issue... I say this knowing how many COG people are here, vs how many bikes were sold... I venture to say we are as a group, such a small percentage of on road bikes, and those not familiar with us are having issues, we are only seeing about a 5% exaggerated to the high end, total so far, and most scary are the bikes that only see a fouple thousand, if that, miles per year....


not a good omen....

I highly suggest buying those extended KPP warranty plans folks.... I sure as hell wouldn't want to dish out bucks for parts, and tear this engine down...

but so far no '08 has shown up with this problem.... fingers crossed and praying....

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2015, 03:28:57 pm »
so this '10 is exhibiting what iirc the fourth catastrophic gear tooth failure

I agree that it is a bit concerning.

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That is a good idea, regardless.  It is so cheap, it is crazy not to.
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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2015, 05:29:51 pm »
At 2.5 yrs old my 2012 still has 3.5 yrs of warranty left. My dealer threw the extended in when I bought it. Also averaging 15,000 miles a year. I don't see me keeping this past the life of the warranty. I will trade this in before that. In the mean time crossing my fingers I don't blow another gear!

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2015, 07:46:45 pm »
At 2.5 yrs old my 2012 still has 3.5 yrs of warranty left. My dealer threw the extended in when I bought it. Also averaging 15,000 miles a year. I don't see me keeping this past the life of the warranty. I will trade this in before that. In the mean time crossing my fingers I don't blow another gear!

Having a warranty will make it even more valuable when you go to sell it.
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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2015, 02:12:43 pm »
Spoke with the dealer today. Should have the bike back by end of day tomorrow. He said there was no other damage in the transmission. I took a look with my untrained eye at the gears while I was there and I didn't see anything wrong. He also gave me the broken tooth as a souvenir. I'll put it under my pillow for the Kawi fairy! HA!

I'm still a bit disappointed in the response of the dealer and ultimately being without my bike for a month now. Two weeks to just get it into the shop and two weeks to get it fixed. Yes the holiday was thrown in there but still. Not exactly thrilled with not having a bike for that long. Stealing my Son's Versys 650 here and there was just a tease!

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2015, 03:48:42 pm »
I'm still a bit disappointed in the response of the dealer and ultimately being without my bike for a month now. Two weeks to just get it into the shop and two weeks to get it fixed. Yes the holiday was thrown in there but still. Not exactly thrilled with not having a bike for that long. Stealing my Son's Versys 650 here and there was just a tease!

Major failures like you describe are rare.  But what is not rare are stories about the dealer taking a month or more to fix it :(   Warranty work seems to drop to the bottom of their list and then there is the overhead of getting approvals, then waiting on parts, etc.  Add to that the typical inexperience of their repair staff when it comes to the C14 (because it is a higher-end bike that they don't see often AND because it doesn't fail often) and that just compounds the problems.
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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2015, 07:33:33 pm »
A month or so is good.  If you want to know what 'bad' is have a read of some threads on spyderlovers.com
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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2015, 10:24:25 pm »
He also gave me the broken tooth as a souvenir.
Any idea how that happened? A false neutral then a 'bang' when getting the tranny back in gear without stopping? A botched shift? If you didn't buy the bike since new, guess we'll never know. But glad you were taken care of, even if it took longer than it should. Good luck.

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Re: LOUD 3rd gear!?!?!?!?
« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2015, 06:46:23 pm »
Any idea how that happened? A false neutral then a 'bang' when getting the tranny back in gear without stopping? A botched shift? If you didn't buy the bike since new, guess we'll never know. But glad you were taken care of, even if it took longer than it should. Good luck.

No idea. I bought the bike as a 2012 left over in July of 2013. So yeah all me on the bike. I've had shifts where I missed a gear but never grinded any. Never heard that gut wrenching screech! LOL. I'm thinking it may have been an aggressive downshift but I still don't remember any specific event that did it. I noticed it when I was riding through town in 3rd gear. I have a cardo scala rider and always have music playing. This could have happened an hour, day, week before I noticed it. Who knows.

Still don't have the bike back. One part they are waiting on didn't show up Thursday. Hoping it will show Monday and I'll get it back Tuesday. I stole my son's 2014 Versys 650 today for a quick ride but it's just not the same! LOL!