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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2015, 10:37:56 pm »
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2015, 01:37:59 pm »
Does it matter much if the flies are pulled? Or can one leave them in with your flash?

   the flash takes control of the flies and other aspects of the tuning, so it's best if they're left intact.

  There are those who feel that "flies out" is the best way to go and I'm here to reiterate that it is not. A friend just purchased a 2010 with flies out, an area p slip on and a PCV... the bike has a momentary lag when the throttle is opened that the flash doesn't exhibit at all, and the sharpness to throttle input with the flies out just isn't like the flash provides. Steve

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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2015, 08:51:27 pm »
Have you got on the dyno yet with the Area P slip on with and your flash? I am curious if it will be close 150hp. I just put on the Area P slip on before winter shut me down. If it comes in the way I think it might, Santa might have to bring me a reflashed ECU for Christmas.  ;D
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2015, 08:55:05 pm »
I'm guessing just the slip on won't make nearly that kind of power (that would be an increase of around 20 HP), I think you need the Area P complete system to get that kind of power.

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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2015, 09:41:10 pm »
I'm guessing just the slip on won't make nearly that kind of power (that would be an increase of around 20 HP), I think you need the Area P complete system to get that kind of power.

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A muffler swap will amount to very little.  Size, looks, sound, weight, not power.  Different story if you replace the exhaust system, though.  But that is some big coin (and without a PC, it would require a custom tailored ECU flash).
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2015, 10:21:58 pm »
From what I see on Steve's dyno chart, it looks like you gain almost 14 hp just from the flash on a stock bike. Area P shows a 6hp increase on there dyno chart for the slip on. My simple math says that should add up to 20 hp, but you never now how they will interact; thus my question to Steve ( he has said he was going to test this exact setup on a dyno). I believe there are guys on this board or the other with a full Area P, flash, and filter that are putting mid 160's hp to the wheel.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2015, 05:21:13 am »
My bike currently has the areap slip on  mounted, and I've been trimming the fuel but haven't been to the dyno yet. Actually I have found a dyno I can purchase and I'm mulling it over... it's a good bit of coin, but I wouldn't have to rely on seting up dyno time anymore, so there is that.

   Anyways, it's hard to accurately predict what might happen when "this" part stacks on "that" part.

   To be honest, I was floored that my bike gained 14 hp with the stock exhaust. Floored to the point that we did several runs showing that gain, then I reflashed my stock map back in and got the 126-128 hp runs, then flashed the ECU back to my flash and back came the 142 hp.  So with that in mind it kind of threw off my idea of "reasonable expectations".

  I was back to the dyno with 2 other concours owners 3 weeks ago. One has a pipe I built with the stock pipe diameter header pipes with a 2 bros slip on. The other has a full area p system. The bike with the pipe I built had incredible low end torque even stronger than the area p system, but from 6000 up the area P system was considerably stronger. The bike with the small tube peaked at 146 and the AreaP bike peaked at 157. These are SAE corrected #, same as my 142 hp. 

   So with those #'s in mind, and IF the stock muffler is more of an impediment to power production than the pipe diameter or the CATS in the stock header  then I think it's possible for a flashed bike with a slip on to get to that mid 140's area... 145, 146, 147, right in there. If it doesn't get any more than the 142 I already have, then we're at the point of realizing the peak power with the stock header.

   So far with the slip on I can say the bike is fast. It was fast before, too. It's so linear it masks the rate at which it accelerates from low rpm so the butt dyno is less effective. I do feel a subtle climb in power at 5000 rpm that I didn't feel with the stock muffler. Subtle but  noticeable none the less. This could be a good sign. Still, I need dyno data, which I will probably have within a couple weeks, and then after that the area P full system goes on, though I doubt it will stay; I'm really liking  the quiet / fast and don't need to be alerting the men in blue that there's an ICBM tearing up the roads in their area of responsibility  :o :o 

   In closing I do want to say this - Guys put on slip ons almost as soon as they buy the bike. 4-500.00 $. Sure there are some weight savings, about 14 lbs, and probably some extra power to be gained, but it absolutely won't achieve the all rpm power gained with my flash. Not comparable. In my mind, putting on a slip on first and then mulling over getting the flash is a bit backwards, because the flash is the obvious bang for the buck winner in that contest. Steve

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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2015, 05:43:46 am »
In closing I do want to say this - Guys put on slip ons almost as soon as they buy the bike. 4-500.00 $. Sure there are some weight savings, about 14 lbs[...]In my mind, putting on a slip on first and then mulling over getting the flash is a bit backwards, because the flash is the obvious bang for the buck winner in that contest. Steve

Yep.  But lots of people are more concerned with the APPEARANCE of performance, rather than actual performance.  :)
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2015, 06:18:08 am »
Yep.  But lots of people are more concerned with the APPEARANCE of performance, rather than actual performance.  :)
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2015, 07:03:28 am »
Whereas the HD crowd is more concerned with the SOUND of performance, rather than actual performance!

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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2015, 08:28:36 am »
From what I see on Steve's dyno chart, it looks like you gain almost 14 hp just from the flash on a stock bike. Area P shows a 6hp increase on there dyno chart for the slip on. My simple math says that should add up to 20 hp, but you never now how they will interact; thus my question to Steve ( he has said he was going to test this exact setup on a dyno). I believe there are guys on this board or the other with a full Area P, flash, and filter that are putting mid 160's hp to the wheel.

My rule of thumb for dyno claims for slip-ons is to be very skeptical. Most bikes are only going to get a 2 or 3 HP increase from just the muffler.

Does Area P know a way to get more power than Yoshimura or Vance and Hines does? I doubt it, but it will be interesting to see what the numbers are when Steve tests that combo.

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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2015, 09:25:10 am »
I just want to say, that I appreciate what Steve is doing for us and all the info that is coming out because of it.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2015, 11:05:38 am »
Thanks for the reply Steve. Well thought out and logical! It was exactly along my line of thinking. I agree with what everyone above has said about slip on's generally being just noisemakers. I put mine on mainly because the stock exhaust was so butt fugly. I wasn't looking for extra hp as I have a  lightly modded ZX12R that puts out 183 to the wheel for those need for speed days. When I started subscribing  to Steve's flash threads, and saw the hp gains he was getting for the money, I became extremely interested----(more hp is always a good thing!) LOL!
One other thing about the Area P slip on----I have had slip ons' on several other previous bikes over the years, and they all were just cosmetic. I swear this slip on breathes better once you are above 6000rpm (at least according to the feel of my butt dyno). I am subscribed to Steve's testing---I find it extremely interesting as it gives me something to do over a long cold winter up here in the Great White North.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2015, 02:57:31 pm »
My rule of thumb for dyno claims for slip-ons is to be very skeptical. Most bikes are only going to get a 2 or 3 HP increase from just the muffler.

Yep.  If that.  And that would be *peak* hp gain (at highest RPM), where few ever roam.

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Does Area P know a way to get more power than Yoshimura or Vance and Hines does? I doubt it, but it will be interesting to see what the numbers are when Steve tests that combo.

I am more inclined to believe a larger gain (than less than half of the claim) *if the ECU/PC were TUNED* for that exact slight change a particular muffler swap makes.  But few people ever do that.
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Re: ECU flashing now available
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2015, 02:58:21 pm »
I just want to say, that I appreciate what Steve is doing for us and all the info that is coming out because of it.

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It is *GREAT* to have options!
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