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Offline stevewfl

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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2016, 06:41:09 am »
Rich, you really could have done without that first sentence...

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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2016, 07:16:07 am »
Rich, you really could have done without that first sentence...

You know, seeing as how I have pressure before the ABS unit but not to the rear line....I'd say he's on point.
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2016, 05:13:27 pm »
MoB says  'A failure on the distribution valves in the module WILL cause solid brake pedal lockup on the rear brake, and such has been documented (when the bike is running).
It will also cause solid front brake lever lockup, though that hasn't been documented yet that I've seeen - perhaps because noone's lived to report it.



When the ABS unit fails, normal braking will NOT occur, and the failure is not always evident to the onboard diagnostics, so warnings on the dash may not reveal it.
True, and this is the reason why Kawasaki should do something about this failure.  The service manual for these series 1 (gen 1) bikes states that the warning system should alert the rider to this specific failure by the yellow light remaining on after startup/system check, but there is also this failure of the warning system which prevents it.  That is the crux of the safety issue involved here. 

The failure of the hyd system, serious though it is, is (relatively) a minor issue.  The failure of the warning system is potentially deadly and should be the subject of a recall.  Few folks understand that the warning system does not detect this failure and either: a. bypass the abs unit; b. replace the abs unit; rather than lodging a formal complaint with their national vehicle safety authority.
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2016, 10:28:22 am »
I know I may be opening a can of worms here, but, has anyone reported the ABS brake issue to the NHTSA yet?
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2016, 10:32:15 am »
It should be if it hasn't.  I went out and looked to see the complaints.  I think that I only saw one dealing with ABS but it wasn't specific as to the symptoms.
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2016, 08:10:08 pm »
I reported it last year on my side of the world (Australia) to the federal Authorities and detailed the saga in the link further up this thread. I was the first here to do so.  Another owner here reported it in the last month or two (the second formal report). The official answer is: 'isolated failures due to poor maintenance' - but that doesn't explain the failure of the warning system, just the hydraulics. 
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2016, 11:13:56 am »
I had the same problem a couple years a go
And yes, was "The hidraulyc ABS Unit"
The Unit had to be disassemble and repaired.

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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2016, 12:33:53 pm »
Did you know what they did to it?
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2016, 01:06:59 pm »
Not really, but I'll tray to find it out in detail  and traslate (hard part).
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2016, 02:37:51 pm »
Thanks.  Any information on this will be extremely appreciated.
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2016, 09:08:37 am »
I brought mine to a somewhat local dealer here.  Turns out the ABS pump had blocked, despite the brake fluid being changed 3x since the bike was new.  I will post more info when I get the bike back.
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2016, 09:59:15 am »
Thanks for the update. 
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2016, 12:11:08 pm »
Well, I wanted to update this post. I just got my bike back from the dealer. I brought it in on 2/25 to have it diagnosed, and sure enough, it was the ABS pump. I did let the service writer know that I know that more than a few people have had the same problem, so he told me that he was going to call Kawasaki and see if they could do anything for me. Kawasaki did want to know if the brake fluid had ever been changed, which it had with the 3 rear pad changes (luckily I know the previous owner well!) So, Kawasaki offered to replace the $1300 ABS pump for free out of warranty labor included, and they even told the dealership to refund my diagnostic fee. The only BAD part about this, I was without my bike for two weeks. So, yeah, that part was a bummer, but, I didn't have to pay out of pocket for the repair!
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 02:05:22 pm »
That is excellent news indeed! Thanks for updating us on the end result.
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Re: Rear Brake/ABS Pump issue
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2016, 02:21:26 pm »
Was it fixed on Ma Kaw's dime or did you have an extended warranty in effect?
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