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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2016, 02:14:12 pm »
I own a 9M but am completely ignorant about CHL: How does anybody know whether or not a gun carrying individual has a CHL?
And if you're carrying correctly, how does one even know you're carrying?
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2016, 03:27:05 pm »
I guess the concern is also open carry, the laws of which I also know nothing about, but same basic question: How does anybody know whether or not an individual openly carrying a gun is licensed to do so?

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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2016, 03:28:38 pm »
Maybe individuals carrying guns should have to wear a "licensed gun carrier" type of badge, front and rear, readily visible ... like license plates  :)

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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2016, 04:04:53 pm »
Maxtog, my son lived in the Tidewater area for 13 years and on my visits it was normal to see someone carrying openly.

I guess it just depends where and when.  I might see one open-carry person a year.

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He eventually got his CHL but carrying saved his bacon once when a dog tried to attack him.
The cops were called on him once at the neighborhood laundromat.

In that case, I would hope that the police trace back the call and charge the people reporting it with something.... at least a ticket for wasting their time.
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2016, 04:07:52 pm »
I own a 9M but am completely ignorant about CHL: How does anybody know whether or not a gun carrying individual has a CHL?

They don't.  They would have to ask to see the license (CHP/CHL/CCP).  The police do have such a right, and you must carry the license and a photo ID with you at all times when carrying concealed.

I guess the concern is also open carry, the laws of which I also know nothing about, but same basic question: How does anybody know whether or not an individual openly carrying a gun is licensed to do so?

Same response- you don't.  And the laws vary wildly from place to place.  Same way you don't know if someone is licensed to drive, or licensed to practice medicine, etc.

Maybe individuals carrying guns should have to wear a "licensed gun carrier" type of badge, front and rear, readily visible ... like license plates  :)

Um..... no.
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2016, 04:28:56 pm »
"Maybe individuals carrying guns should have to wear a "licensed gun carrier" type of badge, front and rear, readily visible ... like license plates  :)"

Better yet, have the good guys just do their thing un-labeled, BUT, make the bad guys have to declare themselves!!
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2016, 09:13:36 am »
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Open carry generally has the same privileges and restrictions as concealed with some additional "no, no's." You can't open carry if you're on a college campus or if you're private security and not wearing a uniform. Private property owners have the right to prohibit open carry by posting a sign.

District Attorney Nico LaHood says law enforcement can stop you to ask for your LTC if you're open carrying, "If an officer politely asks you I don't care if you videotape it. Do whatever you want that you feel you need to be protected. Just, 'Yes, sir. Thank you very much, and have a blessed day,' and move on," LaHood told the open carry seminar at STW Krav Maga.

Open Carry Texas disagrees that police have legal authority to stop you only to ask for your license to carry, but they don't recommend disobeying the request unless you have a heap of money to pay for the legal battle.

There probably won't be any need to worry about that in San Antonio, though. Police Chief William McManus said San Antonio officers won't stop you just for openly carrying a gun but he said officers do have the right to ask for your weapon if they stop you and feel unsafe.

"Officers need to be able to protect themselves. So if they feel the need to remove that weapon from the individual, then they're going to do that," McManus said.

McManus also said dispatchers are trained to respond to 911 callers phoning in about someone open carrying a gun by asking a series of questions to determine why that person might be carrying a gun.


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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2016, 09:17:12 am »
In many states a CHL (concealed handgun license) isn't needed to open carry.
It does seem strange to require a CHL to OC.
Then, it seems strange to me to require a CHL.
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2016, 11:21:30 am »
In many states a CHL (concealed handgun license) isn't needed to open carry.
It does seem strange to require a CHL to OC.
Then, it seems strange to me to require a CHL.

The new license in Texas is called a LTC, or License To Carry. Covers both concealed and open carry.
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2016, 07:38:05 pm »
If I owned a retail business, I'd post the following sign:

                                                                 Dear Customers: 

                                    This establishment supports Article Two of the Bill of Rights. 
                                              Your legally carried firearm is welcome here. 
                                        Discreetly present your CPL at register for 5% discount. 
                                   (No information will be retained or copied, visual display only.)
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2016, 06:05:37 pm »
Ironically, *THE* place to get guns, accessories, ammo, instruction, etc in this area is Superior Pawn.  Take a guess what signs are posted all over their entrances and in the stores?  "NO LOADED WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED" (with various wordings and additional info).   Now see if that makes much sense!  Are they required by their insurance carrier or something?  I have no idea.  I have been meaning to ask a manager

My GF used to own a pawn shop.
They say this in order to keep idiots from bringing in loaded guns to pawn, and waiving them around.
Not so much for licensed concealed carry people.
They get lots of guns for pawn. They don't want people handing them loaded weapons.
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2016, 06:28:08 pm »
My GF used to own a pawn shop.
They say this in order to keep idiots from bringing in loaded guns to pawn, and waiving them around.
Not so much for licensed concealed carry people.
They get lots of guns for pawn. They don't want people handing them loaded weapons.

You mean like this??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsecTFkxWwk
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2016, 06:37:45 pm »
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2016, 05:39:46 am »
You mean like this??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsecTFkxWwk

That is an epic failure that someone supposedly trained in weapons wouldn't verify it was unloaded, and someone supposedly trained in weapons (a police officer!!!) wouldn't also verify it was unloaded.  It also required a THIRD epic failure of someone storing it in the case loaded, too.  Three failures had to occur.  Wow.
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