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Offline wally_games

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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2016, 11:18:58 am »
That is an epic failure that someone supposedly trained in weapons wouldn't verify it was unloaded, and someone supposedly trained in weapons (a police officer!!!) wouldn't also verify it was unloaded.  It also required a THIRD epic failure of someone storing it in the case loaded, too.  Three failures had to occur.  Wow.

Blame them both, but the cop actually cycled the weapon and loaded a round in the chamber. He EXPECTED it to not be loaded and lost a finger in the meantime. Lucky that nobody off to his left wasn't hit.
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2016, 02:58:33 pm »
Blame them both, but the cop actually cycled the weapon and loaded a round in the chamber.

I watched it three more times.  He did pull back the rail, but I watched very closely and saw nothing that would indicate he put a bullet in the gun.  It could have had one in the magazine and that is what he ended up inadvertently loading.... but having pulled back the rail and looking in the breach, it is hard to imagine he wouldn't see it.

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He EXPECTED it to not be loaded and lost a finger in the meantime. Lucky that nobody off to his left wasn't hit.

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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2016, 09:24:54 pm »
A fine reminder to keep your booger hook off of the bang switch.
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2016, 06:15:03 am »
I don't really blame the cop. For christs sake, what was a loaded gun doing in the gun case? It looked like he just cycled the slide and did not see inside the weapon to see if it was loaded. I never like to see anyone messing with the action of the gun and having it pointed in somebody's direction like he was doing. As soon as you do start to mess with it make sure it is pointed in a safe direction and keep your hand away from the front of the weapon.

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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2016, 06:42:16 am »
Before I ever dry fire a gun, or even put my finger on the trigger, I check the chamber 3 or more times. I'll even put my pinky finger in the chamber just in case my eyes fail me. Also, I never rack the slide without dropping the mag first. All assuming I am not readying the gun for immediate use. habit habit habit habit. Did I mention habit?

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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2016, 05:43:07 pm »
I don't really blame the cop.  [...]

He broke three cardinal rules- assume EVERY GUN is loaded until proven otherwise, always point in a safe direction, and keep your finger off the trigger.  Yes, there is blame to place on the gun store too, but his negligence can't be ignored either.  If I were on a civil jury, I couldn't find him any less than 50% at fault.
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2016, 05:47:51 pm »
habit habit habit habit. Did I mention habit?

Exactly.  Training, rules, practice, and habit.  Like working with anything dangerous- machinery, electricity, volatile chemicals, driving, power tools, etc, making safety something automatic and habit is the best way.

I have actually had someone in the car with me ask me why I was using a turn signal or looking over my shoulder when there was nobody there.  I responded that I *ALWAYS* use a turn signal when turning or changing lanes and *ALWAYS* look over my shoulder when changing lanes because it should just be automatic.  Yes, one should try to keep mental tabs on what is around you all the time, but if it is habit to always do the right and safe thing, it will keep one out of trouble.  I think of them as "failsafes".
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Re: ZALES Logic?
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2016, 09:35:14 pm »
Wow...
Too bad there's actual video to prove my GF right...

I agree, Max... one would think a police officer, of all people, would have followed those important steps.

#1 thing I was taught, never hand over a loaded weapon,  or a weapon that does not have the magazine removed and the slide back so the recipient can visually see the weapon is unloaded.

Also, I was trained to call the index finger a particular name- The Primary Safety.
The Primary Safety is never to be applied to the trigger UNTIL the target has been verified and sighted.

Like you said... epic fails... on both parties fault.
Wow...
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