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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2016, 01:29:49 pm »
California has legal land splitting and I believe the most motorcycles per capita yet they don't have many issues with it. The California law is "Lane sharing/ splitting is allowed as long as traffic is flowing below 15 mph. There will always be riders & drivers who abuse any priveledge, laws or rules but that doesn't mean the crest of us should be prevented from enjoying or exercising those same rights. It becomes a matter & freedom of choice. If you don't want to lane split or wear a helmet, then dont! Just makes sense.

There are no laws in California dealing with "lane sharing/splitting". It isn't specifically addressed in the vehicle code. There are recommendations posted on several motorcycle forums and there are a few efforts underway to codify a legal definition of lane sharing so that the practice can be standardized and limits established for "delta" speeds (among other details).

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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2016, 01:59:40 pm »
Do the motocops in Cali partake in this lane splitting/sharing as a routine practice?
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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2016, 02:09:35 pm »
There are no laws in California dealing with "lane sharing/splitting". It isn't specifically addressed in the vehicle code. There are recommendations posted on several motorcycle forums and there are a few efforts underway to codify a legal definition of lane sharing so that the practice can be standardized and limits established for "delta" speeds (among other details).

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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2016, 03:47:37 pm »
If something is not illegal, it is automatically legal- unless it is morally or ethically unjust.

(Of course, that is generally correct, but I just had to add...)

Is that like the Constitution where it says the powers not specifically granted to the Fed by the Constitution belong to the States and the People?

We can see how well THAT turned out!
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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2016, 03:52:45 pm »
Do the motocops in Cali partake in this lane splitting/sharing as a routine practice?

They do all the time, and in Walnut Creek and Napa they ride C-14's much to the chagrin of speeders who might try to outrun them.

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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2016, 05:08:18 pm »
I did it for 13 years in the SF bay area and if you're ever there, you'll see almost every rider doing it and the drivers expect it. It isn't illegal in California to Lane Split/ Lane Share. When I got my motorcycle license, there was a question on the test about lane splitting and specifically mentioned the 15 mph limit.
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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2016, 05:38:48 pm »
I spend a significant amount of time in SoCal and it is not at all uncommon for motorcyclists, including cops, to split lanes at speeds in excess of 50mph. Once you get used to it, it's not a big deal.

That's not motorcyclists going 50mph faster than traffic, that's traffic going 50mph and the bikes running about 15mph faster.
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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2016, 08:23:40 pm »
I split most of the way home on my commute.  The Connie works fine.  I don't think the bags are wider than the mirrors.  I don't know about the rear canyon cages though. 

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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2016, 11:20:58 am »
I did it for 13 years in the SF bay area and if you're ever there, you'll see almost every rider doing it and the drivers expect it. It isn't illegal in California to Lane Split/ Lane Share. When I got my motorcycle license, there was a question on the test about lane splitting and specifically mentioned the 15 mph limit.

Then whoever wrote the test has no knowledge of California law. There is no speed limitations or any other mention of lane splitting or lane sharing in the California Vehicle Code. There are general laws regarding unsafe vehicle operation but none specific about speed limits regarding lane sharing/splitting since there is no mention of the practice.

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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2016, 11:52:38 am »
If I may...
As somebody mentioned, it's common practice in Europe. In particular, it is illegal in Germany, however we do it, a lot. Only the Dutch seat in traffic for hours  ;)
In Italy, France, and to some extent, Poland, for example, drivers are constantly monitoring their rear view mirrors and making way for the bikes. There are two reasons: they want their mirrors to survive, and they don't gain absolutely anything cutting you off, and they know it. It's just common sense. German cagers tend to block more than any other Europeans, but that has been improving over the last decade.
So, my advice, look at those places where people do lane splitting and learn from them.
Me, I split. It just makes for a more efficient use of the road. But I'm not one of those nut cases that blast between cars Ghost Rider style. Like with most things in society, a bit of good will and civility go a long way. And I always thank the cager that moves, specially in Germany, where I want them to know that their gesture is appreciated so they feel encouraged and keep doing it.
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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2016, 12:12:14 pm »
Yes. Acknowledging when someone gives you a break in traffic is always the right thing to do. It goes a long way...
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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2016, 01:32:42 pm »
FYI, it may not be legal in California, but it's not illegal either. It has been a gray area for so long that a few years ago, the CHP finally put out guidelines about it in 2013, which is as close to a "law" as we have been able to get. Read it here:
http://lanesplittingislegal.com/assets/docs/CHP-lane-splitting-guidelines-California.pdf

If you try to find that in the DMV web site, it is interesting because it says:
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"Lane splitting general guidelines" information is no longer available.

A petitioner complained to the Office of Administrative Law that there was no formal rulemaking process for the guidelines, and raised other objections. The CHP discussed the issue with the Office of Administrative Law and chose not to issue, use or enforce guidelines and thus removed them from the website.

The underlying purpose of the guidelines was to provide common-sense traffic safety information.

California law does not allow or prohibit motorcycles from passing other vehicles proceeding in the same direction within the same lane, a practice often called "lane splitting," "lane sharing" or "filtering."


Assembly Bill 51 (Lane Sharing bill) was put on hold. It was passed by Ca Assembly but on hold before the Ca senate vote. Who knows when it will come back.


I lane share when I commute in, but I avoid a particular section of the highway as much as I can in car or motorcycle because the road condition is so bad, that my lane sharing is pretty limited (normally only 1-4 miles and I exit and take backroads).
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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2016, 05:28:45 pm »
They do all the time, and in Walnut Creek and Napa they ride C-14's much to the chagrin of speeders who might try to outrun them.

I passed a C14 with someone pulled over on the 805 going north heading out of SaN Diego earlier this week
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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2016, 07:59:52 pm »
I passed a C14 with someone pulled over on the 805 going north heading out of SaN Diego earlier this week

I've talked to a couple of cops in California who love their C-14's, and hope that their departments never go back to Harleys or BMWs. I recommended PR4's to one cop who said that his C-14 was eating a lot of Bridgestones.

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Re: Vote to allow lane splitting, do this NOW
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2016, 09:37:53 pm »
... But I'm not one of those nut cases that blast between cars Ghost Rider style. ...

What a bunch of baloney ;)

I've lane 'split' in CA, many years ago on my first BBG ride. I was in awe that traffic pulled slightly left or right to let me go down the middle as I was riding down I-5 from Weed to Fresno. Again when I lived there for a year.

I've also lane shared with a certain Argentinian living in Munich (like five days worth of riding!), and gone to the "head of the queue" when traffic was stopped for a light/ferry gate/accident in most of EU. It's all accepted (mostly) in mainland EU, and quite normal.

The problem in the USA are the Urban Assault vehicle drivers that are lacking in certain anatomical features. They think if *they* have to be stuck in traffic, *everyone* does. They can't fathom that three lanes of traffic (one is a 'lane share' lane) is better than two.

Or... I did a legal pass on a Sport Ute a few years back. He pulled up on my arse, rolled down his window and told me he was bigger than me and could take me out in a heart beat. I told him that would look real good on his resume. He bailed and turned right, I went straight.

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