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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2017, 04:35:05 pm »
Well, without an emoticon I cannot tell if you are serious or not. I <believe> you are old enough but am not sure.

For the pups out there, a landline is a telephone service hard- wired to a building. There are still two or three left in the US although I think one may have died, leaving only two of us who have them. I like mine a lot: I can use it without any spotty coverage, it works better than my cell phone, and anyone / everyone can have that number 'cause it never, ever makes anything ring when I do not want it to do so. When riding my bike, for example: I can make and recieve phone calls but <almost> everyone that has my landline cannot call me because they do not have my cell number.

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I actually remember when as a kid we got our first rotary dial phone. But haven't had a landline now for 5 years. I do know how to block a number on my iPhone, but I don't think I'm helping at all.

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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2017, 06:35:46 pm »
Spent a few minutes looking around and there are some OK pieces of hardware that would work but all seem to have quirks that would be troublesome for us.

The best solution, strictly from a logical level, would be to have something that screened all calls through a huge data base of 'bottom- feeders' and let everyone / anyone else through. The best service does seem to be nomorobo but as I said, COX does not support it.

We have reached a state of OK in that all ringers are off, so a caller either has to talk to my answering machine, or when I get the chance and look at missed calls, I can call back whomever I choose. That will have to do for the moment.

Funny comment: right now, both Fios and COX connections are attached to a temporary power 'TeePee' in front of my house, After the power co. makes the mounting on the house, I will have to remove both Fios and COX from the 'TeePee' and do something with them; I was planning on having COX come by and re-string the cable to the house and just cutting off the Fios connection and stapling the dangling end to the telephone pole in front of my house. Now maybe I will call them and see if they want to re-string the cable and check on how much Fios will be for the next 2 years as I am a Verizon 'virgin' again (apparently, virginity is re-established after 90 or 180 days and I have both covered). That said, COX really does have the better video quality.

But just to reiterate, I am really cranky about having to deal with any of this: my phones are devices I pay for, both the hardware and usage fees. And it really rubs my fur the wrong way that others are using my own purchased devices to torture me. Not my world, I just live here.

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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2017, 06:56:06 pm »
Spent a few minutes looking around and there are some OK pieces of hardware that would work but all seem to have quirks that would be troublesome for us.

Not the least of which being their complexity and setup time (although some look to be pretty simply if you don't need/want all the features).  I am not sure why you are "hung up" [pun intended] on the call waiting issue, though.  If you are already on the phone, then it isn't that much of an interruption (if you have call waiting caller ID).  Worst case, just ignore it; or even disable call waiting  (*70)  (yep, I don't have call waiting because it costs money I don't want to pay... it is rare I am on the phone all that long).  In which case, the Tel-Lynx looks like it might be a great fit for you.

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The best solution, strictly from a logical level, would be to have something that screened all calls through a huge data base of 'bottom- feeders' and let everyone / anyone else through. The best service does seem to be nomorobo but as I said, COX does not support it.

In my case, that wouldn't be the best, because those still allow crap through like the city "notices", political calls, etc (from what I understand).  Personally, I would never want or accept ANY robo-recording call, marketing call, political call, sales call, "notice" call, etc.  Plus, although it has honeypots, blacklists only work if people participate and mark calls as spam.

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We have reached a state of OK in that all ringers are off, so a caller either has to talk to my answering machine, or when I get the chance and look at missed calls, I can call back whomever I choose. That will have to do for the moment.

Kinda selfish, though.... if the other party does the same thing, then the two of you will never communicate.  Plus it is still very inconvenient- you don't know from across the room if it is important or not until you stop, go over, and do whatever to get it playing back the message; and then delete it.  That is, if you even remember.  I get recorded voicemail from spammers, usually a partial of the recording, sometimes even a human (although that is rare).  So voicemail/answering machines do not help much with many types of phone spam.  In fact, I think it makes it even more annoying- most are calls from when I am not even home.

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But just to reiterate, I am really cranky about having to deal with any of this: my phones are devices I pay for, both the hardware and usage fees. And it really rubs my fur the wrong way that others are using my own purchased devices to torture me. Not my world, I just live here.

Your crankiness about spam calls is probably only matched by mine.  And I don't even get that many spam calls.  If I were at your level, I would have changed my number or ripped the phone(s) out of the wall if I couldn't find something to help.
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2017, 07:12:59 am »
I'm getting a lot of 'IRS' calls on my landline.  Sometimes I just listen to them for entertainment purposes.  Also get a bunch of spoofed calls that mimic local numbers.  They are the ones I want to strangle.  One would think that there is a way for the phone company (Verizon) to take care of this.  I'm probably going to change my landline vm to something that says if you don't leave a message you're going to be blocked.  My landline phone can natively block up to 250 numbers.
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2017, 07:39:37 am »
I'm getting a lot of 'IRS' calls on my landline.  Sometimes I just listen to them for entertainment purposes.  Also get a bunch of spoofed calls that mimic local numbers.

I had something like 16 spam calls over a three week period to my cellphone with the exact same first 3 digits as my own number (and the remainder being random).  For my number, that was a HUGE increase, then it just stopped.  This was attributed to a single spammer than made something like 200 million calls and was caught.  No doubt many on this forum, including you, were hit by that same thing.

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They are the ones I want to strangle.  One would think that there is a way for the phone company (Verizon) to take care of this.

Unfortunately, a lot of the specs and security regarding number identification were developed long before anyone had any idea how it could be abused (similar thing with Email).  So now we are stuck with rigid standards that are extremely difficult to improve or change.  Same reason we are stuck with such poor sound quality on phones (ironically, cell phones are much, much worse and yet standards were introduced a decade ago for "HD" calling which would sound even better than land-lines, but adoption has failed miserably).

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I'm probably going to change my landline vm to something that says if you don't leave a message you're going to be blocked.  My landline phone can natively block up to 250 numbers.

You sound like another candidate for the Tel-Lynx (whitelist device).  Then you can stop playing games with manually blocking numbers and forcing people to leave messages (blacklist).  I am talking to my Mom this morning, she is in a similar situation and I am going to share the idea of the device with her, too.
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2017, 08:02:20 am »
OK, paragraphs. :-)

1) Some are, some are not difficult to set up. Some rely on the user 'letting' people in (white list) while others perform a quick test (very similar to what was proposed earlier in the thread although the owner of the device has no control over what the test itself is) to authenticate a user and then put that number on the internal white list.

Again, the way I use the phone, I need to be able to receive calls while I am on the phone so blocking caller waiting is not an option.

2) True but I do not actually get enough local calls to be a problem, at least not yet. And depending on the size of the data base, the black list could not only be huge but very up- to- date. I would be willing to try a 'database blacklist' blocking device.

3) Two parts: a) yes, but this entire thing is selfish. It is all about me and my comfort regarding telephone use. If I was being altruistic in the matter, I would politely answer every call, compliment every caller in some way, teach the world to sing in perfect harmony and then buy them a Coke. So as my wife would say 'The selfish train has sailed'.  and b)Yes, it does introduce the possibility of playing 'telephone tag'. But as my attitude changes, I care less and less about that. Not to be confused with 'cranky' (which I am, very much so, but about bottom- feeders, not the people I want to talk to). My sons only have cell phones and are pretty cavalier about answering them so about 1 time in 3, I get to their voice mail, which they do not check if they know it is me- they just call back. Well, now that I am not answering the call and they get voice mail, they do not bother to leave a message either. Of course this results in fewer phone calls but such is life, as the French say.

Right at the moment, this method is providing some amount of immediate correction for the most serious problem, the bombardment of calls from people I do not want to speak with. It has its downsides but nothing awful, at least for me. Sure, that day I need the new kidney it could all prove a bit lethal, what with the 'phone tag' and all but I am willing to take that chance. :-)

The better solution does seem to be nomorobo with Vonage or Verizon but that will have to wait until a window of time opens.

Thanks for the help, I do appreciate it!

Brian

Not the least of which being their complexity and setup time (although some look to be pretty simply if you don't need/want all the features).  I am not sure why you are "hung up" [pun intended] on the call waiting issue, though.  If you are already on the phone, then it isn't that much of an interruption (if you have call waiting caller ID).  Worst case, just ignore it; or even disable call waiting  (*70)  (yep, I don't have call waiting because it costs money I don't want to pay... it is rare I am on the phone all that long).  In which case, the Tel-Lynx looks like it might be a great fit for you.

In my case, that wouldn't be the best, because those still allow crap through like the city "notices", political calls, etc (from what I understand).  Personally, I would never want or accept ANY robo-recording call, marketing call, political call, sales call, "notice" call, etc.  Plus, although it has honeypots, blacklists only work if people participate and mark calls as spam.

Kinda selfish, though.... if the other party does the same thing, then the two of you will never communicate.  Plus it is still very inconvenient- you don't know from across the room if it is important or not until you stop, go over, and do whatever to get it playing back the message; and then delete it.  That is, if you even remember.  I get recorded voicemail from spammers, usually a partial of the recording, sometimes even a human (although that is rare).  So voicemail/answering machines do not help much with many types of phone spam.  In fact, I think it makes it even more annoying- most are calls from when I am not even home.

Your crankiness about spam calls is probably only matched by mine.  And I don't even get that many spam calls.  If I were at your level, I would have changed my number or ripped the phone(s) out of the wall if I couldn't find something to help.
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2017, 08:58:23 am »
there is another option.

Answer the call and put the handset to one side, next to a noisy fridge or something maybe, and wait for them to hang up. They're the ones making the call ;)
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2017, 11:17:01 am »
I have been getting those same spoofed calls that show caller id as a local number too.  PITA. My computers are apparently sending out a lot  virii!! 
  I do not answer numbers that are not in my contact lists  BUT I  do use a free Google number and i can screen a call or  push it to Voice Mail and still listen  (or not) and  then Google sends me a voice mail and a text email transcribed from the VM. Pretty handy and I can also  record the call while I am talking. Good for record keeping.

I am not sure if a land line  can be added to the free Google number.  In my case i only  have the  two cell phones and when you dial my  Google number both cell phones ring.  i dont know if  it would be of any help for you Brian but I thought I would throw it out there as a possibility.
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2017, 11:42:24 am »
No benefit to me and no detriment to the caller in doing that. These are 'robot' calls, no human involved, and they will not start "speaking" unless the party being called speaks. So all that would do is give me a part- time job and it would end up with a series of loud, low- pitched 'beeps' on my end, which is the way the phone lets the user (me) know the phone is 'off the hook' and it needs to be hung up.

This situation is purely computer driven so there is nothing and no- one to rage against, other than the huge corporations doing this and it is unlikely individuals can do anything on that level.

The other day I was getting a haircut at the Barber's and he happened to be alone in the shop so he was cutting hair / manning the phone all at once. In the time he was cutting my hair (just a haircut, no washing, no blow- drying, nothing but cutting), he received eight (EIGHT!!!) phone calls, which he had to answer because he did not recognize any of the caller's numbers of course, and only one was a customer. Seven bottom- feeders out of which he spoke with I think three. He is kind of an old- school gentleman, from the old country (Italy) and a true gentleman and nice guy so he would not / could not just hang up but had to say 'No thank you, I am not interested in that' about four times every-time he spoke with a human. This is indicative of the problem, at least to me.

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there is another option.

Answer the call and put the handset to one side, next to a noisy fridge or something maybe, and wait for them to hang up. They're the ones making the call ;)
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2017, 11:44:22 am »
Hey, I appreciate all thoughts and ideas Mike, thanks. Maybe an outside service is in order here to deal with this. I will add looking at Google service(s) to my search.

Brian

I have been getting those same spoofed calls that show caller id as a local number too.  PITA. My computers are apparently sending out a lot  virii!! 
  I do not answer numbers that are not in my contact lists  BUT I  do use a free Google number and i can screen a call or  push it to Voice Mail and still listen  (or not) and  then Google sends me a voice mail and a text email transcribed from the VM. Pretty handy and I can also  record the call while I am talking. Good for record keeping.

I am not sure if a land line  can be added to the free Google number.  In my case i only  have the  two cell phones and when you dial my  Google number both cell phones ring.  i dont know if  it would be of any help for you Brian but I thought I would throw it out there as a possibility.
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2017, 02:15:45 pm »
there is another option.

Answer the call and put the handset to one side, next to a noisy fridge or something maybe, and wait for them to hang up. They're the ones making the call ;)

Yep, done that as well.
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2017, 08:48:21 am »
there is another option.

Answer the call and put the handset to one side, next to a noisy fridge or something maybe, and wait for them to hang up. They're the ones making the call ;)

I have at times implemented a variation on that theme. Caller would ask for Steve (that's me) and I would say "One moment please". Then turn away and yell "hey Steve the phone is for you!". Wait 30 seconds.. "Steve! Get the phone!"... wait another 20 seconds or so and say into the phone "he's coming..." wait some more... basically keep this up until they finally hang up.

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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2017, 09:29:34 am »
I think the guy who put the shine on that one was Tom Mabe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7OgWcwgB50

And the really cool part is that he got the name, address and telephone number of the calling company. Now that right there could be some powerful information if it was distributed correctly and, oh say, that company got 10,000 or better yet, 250,000 calls from people to ask questions about the product and basically just keep them on the phone as long as possible. To my knowledge, he did not publish that info. but perhaps he should have.

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I have at times implemented a variation on that theme. Caller would ask for Steve (that's me) and I would say "One moment please". Then turn away and yell "hey Steve the phone is for you!". Wait 30 seconds.. "Steve! Get the phone!"... wait another 20 seconds or so and say into the phone "he's coming..." wait some more... basically keep this up until they finally hang up.
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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2017, 09:41:13 am »
I think the guy who put the shine on that one was Tom Mabe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7OgWcwgB50

And the really cool part is that he got the name, address and telephone number of the calling company. Now that right there could be some powerful information if it was distributed correctly and, oh say, that company got 10,000 or better yet, 250,000 calls from people to ask questions about the product and basically just keep them on the phone as long as possible. To my knowledge, he did not publish that info. but perhaps he should have.

Brian

I love that one! Anyone that has ever been annoyed by tele-marketeers loves that little piece of payback.

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Re: Annoying caller blocking....
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2017, 09:48:02 am »
Yeah, and listening to the poor ba$t!ch who just went to work, at a lousy job, for what I believe are slave wages, was outstanding as he literally collapsed in on himself trying to back- pedal. By the end, I think he was wishing he was a turtle and trying to pull his head and limbs in the shell.

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I love that one! Anyone that has ever been annoyed by tele-marketeers loves that little piece of payback.
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