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My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« on: July 24, 2017, 06:15:01 pm »
Hi there. It's been a while  ;D
I thought I'd share the very first time, ever, that my beloved 08 connie has taken a  dump on me (well, it did it one other time during a valve adjust, but that was me doing it, and the dump was mostly on my part).

I bought her new in 08, and just clocked 95K miles. For over 10 years myself and friends go for a yearly 1500 miles ride of northern California best roads. This year, I had the bright idea of bragging to the others about how my Concours is the only motorcycle in the group which has NEVER had any issues or caused any aggravation during our 10 years of doing these trips.
Well, of course I had to say that, didn't I.
In the second day during our 5 day tour, the bike started false shifting. I would go into false neutral at least once an hour. Then the speedometer stopped working, and so did the odo.
Side fact: it as 110 degrees at times, and we were riding...how do we say...'spirited'.

Then, as I was coming out of a corner, I lost all resistance in the clutch lever. We stopped in the side of the road (in 105 degrees), and lo and hehold, there was a river right there! So, we all got undressed and took a dip. By the time we returned to the bikes, I had resistance back in the clutch lever, but as I started riding, I could not shift up from 2nd gear. I did not try to shift down, because I was 100 miles away from the hotel, and did not want to be eitehr stuck in 1st or loose gears completely, so I rode 100 miles in 2nd.
To cut story short, wife came and trailered me the next day (she was not happy, likely due to the 6 hour drive to my location).

As I have experience wrenching on the bike and knowing the consequences, I took it to the dealer.It turns out some spring came loose in the clutch and mangled some stuff in there, and the everything needs to be replaced (plates, spring, etc). As far as the speed, they say the speed sensor needs replacing.

The total damage is $1900.

So, learn from be boys. No matter how reliable the bike seems to be, never, ever, brag about it. Your bragging will eventually cause accelerated wear and tear which would not have happened otherwise.

Has anyone here ever had issues with the clutch like this?

As a side note, for years now, I've had this intermittent problem where I would wake up in the morning, specially cold days, and I would have no resistance in the clutch lever. After warming the engine a bit, resistance would come back. I asked the dealer, and they couldn't figure out, telling me in the end it would be easier to let something that is a little broken break fully so it would be easier to diagnose.
I then installed braided lines 2 years (maybe 3) ago. Since then, the lack of resistance on the lever went away.
Now, the clutch blew up. I wonder if I had this issue all along for all these years and it finally 'fully' broke now, after being partially broken all this time?

« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 10:57:15 am by Haroldo_PSF »

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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 06:27:56 pm »
Is this THE Haroldo.....the legend? Wow good to hear from you. We've heard whispers but thought you were just a myth. Sorry about the clutch. Are you going to document the repair here where we can follow along. I heard the valve adjust was epic but all that was lost a few years back.  ;D
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 08:16:12 pm »
 :hail:   I'm moved to tears you're back!  Now about your problem...I think it must be the star spring you're talking about and we've had reports here lately of a higher mileage bike where that happened....but $1900?
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2017, 12:49:39 am »
Hey Heroldo, how you doing (other than with the bike stuff of course)? Great to 'see' you although too bad in is under such circumstances.

As to the bike, honestly I can not see pumping almost $2K in an '08 for any reason. The bike is approaching no value, and what value it has would be tough to recover. A member here just picked up a nice '08 for $3K or $3.5K if I remember and frankly, the owner was lucky that it sold at all. So in the end, I question the actual value and sale-ability of any early C-14 with 100K miles on it. And there are much newer, pretty nice bikes out there for not much more money.

Now as far as that diagnosis, I am skeptical of that too; it seems far too coincidental that you are having serious clutch problems, which are mechanical and on the right side of the bike's crankcase, and have had a Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) fail at the same moment, and that is on the left side of the crankcase, attached to the bevel output gear. Makes me go 'hmmmmmm'.

And the clutch having no resistance at all sounds more like a hydraulic issue than a clutch ass'y issue. If that is correct, the hydraulic side of the clutch system will require attention and repair as well as the right, mechanical side of the clutch.

$1,900 also seems quite high for an entire new clutch. Unless there are other problems which require taking the crankcase (and transmission housing) apart, and that is a huge amount of work starting with removing the engine.

All of the above said, I think swapping out the engine may prove less costly. Used engines are available although that too is a 'can of worms' unless you are absolutely certain about the condition of the engine, such as something you bought from a friend as a damaged, non- repairable bike that had a known good engine and a guarantee from the person selling it.

So I would think long and hard (yep, knew what I was typing but as this is Haroldo's return, no witty remarks.... and yes, Haroldo re- appearing is that important) about making any repairs at all to the bike.

Again, great to 'see' you! Best of luck with this problem although we (the entire forum and you) have worked through pesky, persistent problems far worse than this before. Then again, maybe it is the same we who make the problem..... legendary?   ??? ;D

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Hi there. It's been a while  ;D
I thought I'd share the very first time, ever, that my beloved 08 connie has taken a  dump on me (well, it did it one other time during a valve adjust, but that was me doing it, and the dump was mostly on my part).

I bought her new in 08, and just clocked 95K miles. For over 10 years myself and friends go for a yearly 1500 miles ride of northern California best roads. This year, I had the bright idea of bragging to the others about how my Concours is the only motorcycle in the group which has NEVER had any issues or caused any aggravation during our 10 years of doing these trips.
Well, of course I had to say that, didn't I.
In the second day during our 5 day tour, the bike started false shifting. I would go into false neutral at least once an hour. Then the speedometer stopped working, and so did the odo.
Side fact: it as 110 degrees at times, and we were riding...how do we say...'spirited'.

Then, as I was coming out of a corner, I lost all resistance in the clutch lever. We stopped in the side of the road (in 105 degrees), and lo and hehold, there was a river right there! So, we all got undressed and took a dip. By the time we returned to the bikes, I had resistance back in the clutch lever, but as I started riding, I could not shift up from 2nd gear. I did not try to shift down, because I was 100 miles away from the hotel, and did not want to be eitehr stuck in 1st or loose gears completely, so I rode 100 miles in 2nd.
To cut story short, wife came and trailered me the next day (she was not happy, likely due to the 6 hour drive to my location).

As I have experience wrenching on the bike and knowing the consequences, I took it to the dealer.It turns out some spring came loose in the clutch and mangled some stuff in there, and the everything needs to be replaced (plates, spring, etc). As far as the speed, they say the speed sensor needs replacing.

The total damage is $1900.

So, learn from be boys. No matter how reliable the bike seems to be, never, ever, brag about it. Your bragging will eventually cause accelerated wear and tear which would not have happened otherwise.

Has anyone here ever had issues with the clutch like this?

As a side note, for years now, I've had this intermittent problem where I would wake up in the morning, specially cold days, and I would have no resistance in the clutch lever. After warming the engine a bit, resistance would come back. I asked the dealer, and they couldn't figure out, telling me in the end it would be easier to let something that is a little broken break fully so it would be easier to diagnose.
I then installed braided lines 2 years (maybe 3) ago. Since then, the lack of resistance on the lever went away.
Now, the clutch blew up. I wonder if I had this issue all along for all these years and it finally 'fully' broke now, after being partially broken all this time?
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2017, 12:55:12 am »
Not rumors, not myths: Kirby and I were there and everything you heard is true. Including the parts about the unicorns (yes, plural!) and the rips in space- time.

Of course in a case like this, it is always wise to suspect a 'false' or copy- cat Haraldo. But read and  re-read the post and look at the symptoms, all over the bike and seemingly unrelated. The cranky wide. The readiness to tackle this project. In my opinion, as they say in the movies: "This is not a drill. We are witnessing a nuclear event!".

 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Actually, I am just glad to see him back and hope he stays around a while! Fasten your seatbelt Gary, there could be turbulence ahead....  ;D

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Is this THE Haroldo.....the legend? Wow good to hear from you. We've heard whispers but thought you were just a myth. Sorry about the clutch. Are you going to document the repair here where we can follow along. I heard the valve adjust was epic but all that was lost a few years back.  ;D
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2017, 04:19:15 am »
Great to 'see' you again Haroldo!
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2017, 11:43:42 am »
That's funny! How did I become a "legend" again? Come on, there has to have been something else to top the charts since, no? I'm shocked that 8 or 9 years later and the story still lives!

I know that this is a lot of money on this bike, but I considering the alternative....If I didn't fix it, I would have to sell it broken (for very little) or part it, which I have no time for.
The truth is that I love this thing. With almost 100K on it, I can ride the bejeezus out of it, the bike is second nature now. Plus, it is fully fitted with Ohlins front and back, PCV, etc etc etc (I don't even remember the list of upgrades, but I know its long).
Then, if I did sell it instead of fixing, I would have to spend some money on a replacement.
I am betting 2K in the possibility of it lasting another 50K miles when I'm ready to buy the KTM super duke GT.
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I'm glad the same old crew is still here! VirginiaJim, Brian, is Bob still here?

As for the last few years, so much **** happened which kept me distracted...Let's see, in 2012 I rode to Prudoe Bay, AK. 6 months later I crashed at 55mph and shattered my ankle (surgery and titanium hardware fixed it), stopped riding for a few months to make the wife happy, then started again. In 2013 went back to grad school in the evenings, and for the next 4 years up until this last May I literally had no life.  Now I'm finally getting back to my hobbies  ;D

I'm attaching the work order for info on pricing (opps, had to remove, it has my info in it. Will edit and repost)

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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2017, 11:51:45 am »
Sorry Haroldo, that I didn't miss you, mostly because I never had any interaction with you.
Regardless, I'm glad you're back and sorry that your clutch problems are the impetus to your return.
In an endeavor to get to know you, I've researched some of you previous posts and in your last one before the hiatus you said:

The two year in the planning 10000 miles ride to the arctic and back is in a month!

update:
...Let's see, in 2012 I rode to Prudoe Bay, AK.

So how did that trip go?
(not looking for "fine" or "great" we want ---> details  {fm said, hoping that his pushiness doesn't drive you away again after such a long absence})

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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2017, 02:11:30 pm »

I'm glad the same old crew is still here! VirginiaJim, Brian, is Bob still here?


If it's the same Bob we're thinking of then alas while we knew him well, he decided on a different pasture to play in.
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2017, 02:21:29 pm »
You sure can't buy another one for that price. And with labor and full pop on factory parts, it doesn't surprise me. I can't believe a  clutch would last that long.
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2017, 02:38:20 pm »
Yeah, that is what Julius Caesar would ask if we dug him up too.... you guys still remember me? Nothing has happened in 2,000 years that tops my shenanigans of so long ago?

 ;) ;D

Well, it sounds like you have a pretty logical plan. And you are right about the farkling.... I am not looking forward to farkling' up another one myself. The only thing I would perhaps mention would be the VSS, both because you will want to figure it into the price of repairs but still, it bothers me that it stopped working as the clutch mangled itself to death. As I remember, a VSS is something like $70 or $80 and it goes in with one screw and one wiring harness connector. You can swap it in less than 5 minutes and no seals or gaskets required as it seals with an O- ring.

Anyway, as always, the very best of luck getting it back in shape and riding again. We will help if we can of course.

Brian

That's funny! How did I become a "legend" again? Come on, there has to have been something else to top the charts since, no? I'm shocked that 8 or 9 years later and the story still lives!

I know that this is a lot of money on this bike, but I considering the alternative....If I didn't fix it, I would have to sell it broken (for very little) or part it, which I have no time for.
The truth is that I love this thing. With almost 100K on it, I can ride the bejeezus out of it, the bike is second nature now. Plus, it is fully fitted with Ohlins front and back, PCV, etc etc etc (I don't even remember the list of upgrades, but I know its long).
Then, if I did sell it instead of fixing, I would have to spend some money on a replacement.
I am betting 2K in the possibility of it lasting another 50K miles when I'm ready to buy the KTM super duke GT.
Conrad
I'm glad the same old crew is still here! VirginiaJim, Brian, is Bob still here?

As for the last few years, so much **** happened which kept me distracted...Let's see, in 2012 I rode to Prudoe Bay, AK. 6 months later I crashed at 55mph and shattered my ankle (surgery and titanium hardware fixed it), stopped riding for a few months to make the wife happy, then started again. In 2013 went back to grad school in the evenings, and for the next 4 years up until this last May I literally had no life.  Now I'm finally getting back to my hobbies  ;D

I'm attaching the work order for info on pricing (opps, had to remove, it has my info in it. Will edit and repost)
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2017, 04:09:27 pm »
There are a lot of factors to consider.  Assuming you were ready to lay out 2 grand to fix a 10 year old 95K bike, it is worth considering buying a newer used one with much lower miles, especially if you can part-out the old one for 1K.  You could then transfer most of the farkles you want (seat, windscreen, risers are easy...  muffler not that hard.... suspension, that would be harder.)   But you could end up with something worth more and with far more years of service available.  Quickly found a 2010 with 25K miles, carbon muffler, AND HELIBARS HORIZONS for $5,200!  https://motorcycles.autotrader.com/motorcycles/2010/kawasaki/concours_14/200474591

To me, 10 pretty much trouble-free years on a bike with 95K miles on is a great run, no matter how I look at it, even if it meant going out and just buying a brand new 2017 Concours :)
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2017, 05:00:17 am »
There are a lot of factors to consider.  Assuming you were ready to lay out 2 grand to fix a 10 year old 95K bike, it is worth considering buying a newer used one with much lower miles, especially if you can part-out the old one for 1K.  You could then transfer most of the farkles you want (seat, windscreen, risers are easy...  muffler not that hard.... suspension, that would be harder.)   But you could end up with something worth more and with far more years of service available.  Quickly found a 2010 with 25K miles, carbon muffler, AND HELIBARS HORIZONS for $5,200!  https://motorcycles.autotrader.com/motorcycles/2010/kawasaki/concours_14/200474591

To me, 10 pretty much trouble-free years on a bike with 95K miles on is a great run, no matter how I look at it, even if it meant going out and just buying a brand new 2017 Concours :)
But then think about junking a motorcycle because the clutch gave out!  I know it's all about the price, but com'on man!
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2017, 05:24:22 am »
I can see that there is an emotional component to this dilemma.  Logging 10's of thousands of miles will have lots of memories associated with the motorcycle.  I still regret selling my old VW van many years ago...

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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2017, 05:37:54 am »
I was going to post again in this thread, decided against it, then saw this post so....

Yep, emotional decision, as well as a very personal one. Each person has to do what he / she thinks is the best way forward. And in the end, I think we all make lousy choices now and then but some good ones too; the problematic part is that we just do not know which we are making most of the time when we are actually doing it.  ???

In this case, Haroldo will make his decision (maybe he already has?) and forge ahead. What I do know is that the proper attitude and tenacity will rise up and carry the day beyond which decision was made and Haroldo has plenty of both of those traits. Frankly, it has been a pleasure in the past to kind of accompany Haroldo on some of his projects and hopefully he will share some more, starting with this one, going forward. Perhaps some of us have been of some have been helpful to him as well, and can continue to be so. And trust me, Haroldo will go forward, and I mean that in the very best and most positive way imaginable.

So let us know how the C-14 part of your life is going Haroldo and maybe we can sort of work together a bit, even long- distance on the project.

And on a side- note, while it is OFFTOPIC and none of my (our?) business, did you get your advanced degree and in what if I may ask. And certainly you can just ignore that question if it is too personal or you would rather not converse about that here.... I understand perfectly and take no offense.

Brian

I can see that there is an emotional component to this dilemma.  Logging 10's of thousands of miles will have lots of memories associated with the motorcycle.  I still regret selling my old VW van many years ago...
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