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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2017, 04:23:45 pm »
I was going to post again in this thread, decided against it, then saw this post so....

Yep, emotional decision, as well as a very personal one. Each person has to do what he / she thinks is the best way forward. And in the end, I think we all make lousy choices now and then but some good ones too; the problematic part is that we just do not know which we are making most of the time when we are actually doing it.  ???

In this case, Haroldo will make his decision (maybe he already has?) and forge ahead. What I do know is that the proper attitude and tenacity will rise up and carry the day beyond which decision was made and Haroldo has plenty of both of those traits. Frankly, it has been a pleasure in the past to kind of accompany Haroldo on some of his projects and hopefully he will share some more, starting with this one, going forward. Perhaps some of us have been of some have been helpful to him as well, and can continue to be so. And trust me, Haroldo will go forward, and I mean that in the very best and most positive way imaginable.

So let us know how the C-14 part of your life is going Haroldo and maybe we can sort of work together a bit, even long- distance on the project.

And on a side- note, while it is OFFTOPIC and none of my (our?) business, did you get your advanced degree and in what if I may ask. And certainly you can just ignore that question if it is too personal or you would rather not converse about that here.... I understand perfectly and take no offense.

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First thing, I decided to fix the old lady. In the end, if she completely blows up 6 months from now, I won't cry the 1.9K I just spent. It will be OK either way. The added factor to this decision is that I am planning to own the KTM Super Duke GT in the future. The wife already knows about it. If I get another bike, even if it is an old used one, that would be it, as it will be considered "my new bike". So, in an effort to keep the dream alive, and considering how much I love the Concours and how confident I am riding it, it makes sense to me to drop the cash. It is more of a strategic play than a lucrative one at the moment. It does have a purpose.

About the degree. I got a masters in computer engineering from San Jose State University (my BS is in EE from Purdue). I just graduated this May about a month after I turned 40 :D
People ask me if it was worth it, if I'll make more money, etc etc. Well, at this point in my career, with 15 years of experience, an added pedigree on its own doesn't do much. But I have surely gotten a tech refresh, and added some skills I did not have in my toolbox before. One huge outcome of the program is that it sparked my interest in autonomous driving, the new Silicon Valley fever industry. So, after 15 years of medical device history, I left a cushy safe job at a large medical device company, took a paycut,  and joined a small autonomous driving start up. The other day while testing my software I was driving a car at 70mph from my laptop in the backseat. You can't have more fun than that at work, you just can't :)

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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2017, 05:49:59 pm »

Sure thing.
First thing, I decided to fix the old lady. In the end, if she completely blows up 6 months from now, I won't cry the 1.9K I just spent. It will be OK either way. The added factor to this decision is that I am planning to own the KTM Super Duke GT in the future. The wife already knows about it. If I get another bike, even if it is an old used one, that would be it, as it will be considered "my new bike". So, in an effort to keep the dream alive, and considering how much I love the Concours and how confident I am riding it, it makes sense to me to drop the cash. It is more of a strategic play than a lucrative one at the moment. It does have a purpose.

Makes sense to me!  Thanks for sharing


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About the degree. I got a masters in computer engineering from San Jose State University (my BS is in EE from Purdue). I just graduated this May about a month after I turned 40 :D
People ask me if it was worth it, if I'll make more money, etc etc. Well, at this point in my career, with 15 years of experience, an added pedigree on its own doesn't do much. But I have surely gotten a tech refresh, and added some skills I did not have in my toolbox before. One huge outcome of the program is that it sparked my interest in autonomous driving, the new Silicon Valley fever industry. So, after 15 years of medical device history, I left a cushy safe job at a large medical device company, took a paycut,  and joined a small autonomous driving start up. The other day while testing my software I was driving a car at 70mph from my laptop in the backseat. You can't have more fun than that at work, you just can't :)

Congrats!  I have a BS in CS,  and similarly have a high-level position and 28 years experience in the field (medical).  I envy your drive and think what you are doing is neat and wish you the best of luck.  Money ain't everything, you only live once, and that is a very interesting field to move into.
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2017, 07:05:35 pm »
Great to hear Haroldo (on the job). Congrats and the best of luck with both the bike and career.

Brian


Sure thing.
First thing, I decided to fix the old lady. In the end, if she completely blows up 6 months from now, I won't cry the 1.9K I just spent. It will be OK either way. The added factor to this decision is that I am planning to own the KTM Super Duke GT in the future. The wife already knows about it. If I get another bike, even if it is an old used one, that would be it, as it will be considered "my new bike". So, in an effort to keep the dream alive, and considering how much I love the Concours and how confident I am riding it, it makes sense to me to drop the cash. It is more of a strategic play than a lucrative one at the moment. It does have a purpose.

About the degree. I got a masters in computer engineering from San Jose State University (my BS is in EE from Purdue). I just graduated this May about a month after I turned 40 :D
People ask me if it was worth it, if I'll make more money, etc etc. Well, at this point in my career, with 15 years of experience, an added pedigree on its own doesn't do much. But I have surely gotten a tech refresh, and added some skills I did not have in my toolbox before. One huge outcome of the program is that it sparked my interest in autonomous driving, the new Silicon Valley fever industry. So, after 15 years of medical device history, I left a cushy safe job at a large medical device company, took a paycut,  and joined a small autonomous driving start up. The other day while testing my software I was driving a car at 70mph from my laptop in the backseat. You can't have more fun than that at work, you just can't :)
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2017, 03:57:46 am »

Sure thing.
First thing, I decided to fix the old lady. In the end, if she completely blows up 6 months from now, I won't cry the 1.9K I just spent. It will be OK either way. The added factor to this decision is that I am planning to own the KTM Super Duke GT in the future. The wife already knows about it. If I get another bike, even if it is an old used one, that would be it, as it will be considered "my new bike". So, in an effort to keep the dream alive, and considering how much I love the Concours and how confident I am riding it, it makes sense to me to drop the cash. It is more of a strategic play than a lucrative one at the moment. It does have a purpose.

About the degree. I got a masters in computer engineering from San Jose State University (my BS is in EE from Purdue). I just graduated this May about a month after I turned 40 :D
People ask me if it was worth it, if I'll make more money, etc etc. Well, at this point in my career, with 15 years of experience, an added pedigree on its own doesn't do much. But I have surely gotten a tech refresh, and added some skills I did not have in my toolbox before. One huge outcome of the program is that it sparked my interest in autonomous driving, the new Silicon Valley fever industry. So, after 15 years of medical device history, I left a cushy safe job at a large medical device company, took a paycut,  and joined a small autonomous driving start up. The other day while testing my software I was driving a car at 70mph from my laptop in the backseat. You can't have more fun than that at work, you just can't :)

Congrats!

You and my oldest son are the same age and seem to have the same education. I'd have to disagree on your last statement. Replace the car with a drone and he's blowing **** up remotely. Now that's fun! He leads a team working for a defense contractor and he can't talk about anything he does except in general terms.
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2017, 10:38:45 am »
So, picked up the bike Saturday. It drove home OK, noticed a little slippage passing 7K rpm, but didn't stress much on it.
Then, this morning coming to work, the EXACT same thing happened. First, speedometer stopped working, then clutch blew up again (no resistance in the lever, red light on the dash board, etc). Limped home in 2nd gear and grabbed the other bike to come to work.

Well, obvious the dealer fixed the symptom, but not the actual problem. They are closed today, so I have to fume until tomorrow before I go there and try not to be a total dick right of the get go.

In these situations, are they any legal grounds to protect me? After spending 2K for repairs and having the exact same issue reappear immediately, there has to be something to protect the consumer, no?

On the technical side, something is broken causing the speedo and clutch to break. What could it be?

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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2017, 10:59:43 am »
What did the dealer say was broken and did you get the old parts?
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2017, 11:28:31 am »
What did the dealer say was broken and did you get the old parts?

The diagnosis was for a new clutch assy and speed sensor. I believe the parts were indeed replaced, as the bike operated normally for 10 miles.They did not diagnose the problem, only a symptom.

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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2017, 11:37:50 am »
It's on the shop, if they told you they would fix it.  Unless you only OKed part of the repair.
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too)
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2017, 12:12:11 pm »
Now THIS is a Haroldo story!   Sorry, I just could not resist.... :-)

Remember back when I said something was suspect that the vehicle speed sensor (VSS), located on the output bevel gear, failed at the same time as the clutch? Color me suspicious some more.

The VSS should read anytime the bike is moving, blown up clutch or not, engine in the chassis or not.

Couple the two problems at one time and I begin to suspect something else entirely, such as a bad bevel gearset.

No matter what it is, clearly this issue is going to need more fixin'. I just hope for your sake that the dealer will fix the problem now regardless of what it really turns out to be for the money already charged. It they claim that there are 'other things wrong', the bill could get significantly higher.

As to the legal grounds, it depends on how it plays out: if it is something else entirely, such as the bevel gears in the shaft drive, or the transmission or something, the dealer is likely to claim what they fixed needed repair and they charged you a fair and correct amount, and performed the work per the quote. They may now claim this other damage was either hidden, or not detectable when they did the original work, and that work was done 'in good faith' in that it was not only the problem but the only problem. If this turns out to be the case, they may give you another price for the other work, then discount it to 'share the burden' of the initial mistake or extra, hidden damage(s). Then again, they may just fix the bike for the already- paid sum. ?? It really does depend on what is wrong with it at this point but again, you, they or some other party has to diagnose it fully before coming to any conclusion I think. Or at least that is what I would insist on at this point.

As always Haroldo, the very best of luck with this current situation.

Brian

So, picked up the bike Saturday. It drove home OK, noticed a little slippage passing 7K rpm, but didn't stress much on it.
Then, this morning coming to work, the EXACT same thing happened. First, speedometer stopped working, then clutch blew up again (no resistance in the lever, red light on the dash board, etc). Limped home in 2nd gear and grabbed the other bike to come to work.

Well, obvious the dealer fixed the symptom, but not the actual problem. They are closed today, so I have to fume until tomorrow before I go there and try not to be a total dick right of the get go.

In these situations, are they any legal grounds to protect me? After spending 2K for repairs and having the exact same issue reappear immediately, there has to be something to protect the consumer, no?

On the technical side, something is broken causing the speedo and clutch to break. What could it be?
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2017, 03:22:09 am »
Interesting thread. I will be watching to see how this how this repair ends.  Are they going to fix it for the $1900  that you already paid or are they going to charge you more money  or do you have the option to get your $1900 back  and call it a day.   I would pick option #3  and  maybe just buy a used motor from ebay for around $600 and go another 95,000 miles with it.

I am with Brian on this one.. something is very strange. Is the clutch problem a hydraulic master/slave issue? A destroyed or bad  clutch  doesn't fix itself when you park it for a while?  Did you get a chance to look at the replaced parts?  I am thinking  maybe a broken star spring and the broken pieces took out the clutch pack and basket?  I am curious  as what exactly was replaced and worked on for the $1900 that didn't do much of anything. 
 
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2017, 11:52:36 am »
Because this is a "Haroldo thread", as Brian points out, I need to keep the fun going.  ;D
So, as I was limping to the stealership this morning in 2 and 3rd gear, about to get off the freeway, the bike went CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK....
I am not sure where it was coming from, engine or final drive...But something finally blew up. Whatever was causing the clutch and speed sensor to act up finally has manifested itself.
So, I pushed the concours for 1.5 miles. Yes, 650lbs (no bags, empty tank thank god), pushed, for 1.5 miles.
I work out regularly, and I'm in pretty good shape. But let me tell you, there is nothing like pushing this thing for 1.5 miles. There is no position which makes it comfortable or enjoyable.
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As I got to the stealership huffing and puffing, I laid it on the kid at the front desk, and immediately apologized, as he is completely innocent. The service manager is out until next week, so I will have to wait until then. Their misdiagnose ended up damaging the original replaced parts and then some. It blew up less than 20 miles after having spent $2011 dollars to repair it (with tax).
So, I'll wait until I hear back. If they don;t take the burden of their own incompetence, I'll try small claims. The silver lining is that this whole thing is paving the way a new baby in the garage early next year.  hmmm.....

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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2017, 01:31:27 pm »
Really sorry to hear this Haroldo, all facets of it. Frankly I cannot think of any sage words, any diaganosis from afar or even the premise that it is 'not that bad' because, well, it sounds pretty bad.

And because this is so unpleasant, I am going to give you a pass and let the whole 'There is no position which makes it comfortable or enjoyable.' thingy go without making any of my usual references to sex with a porcupine, diarrhea in a space craft or anything other, could- be- amusing- in- another- context- remarks.

Again, and as always, the best of luck moving forward with this issue and do let us know how it turns out.

Brian

Because this is a "Haroldo thread", as Brian points out, I need to keep the fun going.  ;D
So, as I was limping to the stealership this morning in 2 and 3rd gear, about to get off the freeway, the bike went CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK....
I am not sure where it was coming from, engine or final drive...But something finally blew up. Whatever was causing the clutch and speed sensor to act up finally has manifested itself.
So, I pushed the concours for 1.5 miles. Yes, 650lbs (no bags, empty tank thank god), pushed, for 1.5 miles.
I work out regularly, and I'm in pretty good shape. But let me tell you, there is nothing like pushing this thing for 1.5 miles. There is no position which makes it comfortable or enjoyable.
A motor cop stopped to chat mid way on an RT1200. His condolences were refreshing,

As I got to the stealership huffing and puffing, I laid it on the kid at the front desk, and immediately apologized, as he is completely innocent. The service manager is out until next week, so I will have to wait until then. Their misdiagnose ended up damaging the original replaced parts and then some. It blew up less than 20 miles after having spent $2011 dollars to repair it (with tax).
So, I'll wait until I hear back. If they don;t take the burden of their own incompetence, I'll try small claims. The silver lining is that this whole thing is paving the way a new baby in the garage early next year.  hmmm.....
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2017, 04:25:58 pm »
This episode  is as unreal as my 09 valve munch two months back. I had to push mine too, but only a few yards onto a good  samaritan's trailer.
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2017, 01:04:36 pm »
So where are we with this Haroldo? You must have more info. by now, your last post was on the the 8th. What is going on with the bike, the dealer, and Haroldo? ?? ??

Really trying to think happy thoughts and still hoping this works out for you and the only real loss is riding time (other than your original situation, which you already paid for of course).

Brian
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Re: My clutch blew up ( and the speedometer too) - AGAIN
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2017, 08:52:52 am »
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