Author Topic: The Future of th C14  (Read 14730 times)

Offline bowtie39

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 121
  • Country: us
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #75 on: December 27, 2017, 10:50:40 pm »
Good to see you hanging around Dan!  That's all I have to add to this conversation so carry on. 
'16 Moondust Gray....gone

Offline eng943

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 311
  • Country: 00
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2017, 02:33:46 pm »
Yeah they have had (or are having?) their problems certainly. And some of them were (are?) disastrous, such as that cute final drive flame- out failure that BMW balked at covering, addressing in any way or even 'fessing up about. But I was really just discussing the bike as it pertains to actually riding and behavior..... at least when it behaves itself. :-)

For those reasons and other, I am pretty much confined to Japanese bikes, and always have been. At this time, I think the only other brand (non- Japanese) I would even consider might be a KTM but that is not very likely either.

The person who owned the BMW that I rode had a bunch of BMW's and also more than a couple of incidents with their 'legendary reliability'. One time, he was riding a brand new K1200GT home when it just died..... ON THE HIGHWAY (!!) in Boston. He left it on the side of the road, made other arrangements to go home rather than back to the dealer, and then called them up an told them where they could find 'their' bike, assuming it was still there and they even wanted it back.  :rotflmao:  That actually worked out fine but then again, he bought a lot of bikes from them and so was well outside the range of the dealer's usual customer.

Brian

Brian

I'll lend another perspective here, and I'm certainly not discounting anyone's experiences. However, 12 years of owning several BMW's and the only problem I ever had was a fuel sensing strip on the instrument cluster failed on my RT and was replaced N/C. No final drive issues, nothing. All the guys I ride with are BMW owners, and they are fine as well. A couple being pretty high mileage bikes.

Anyway, as I said not challenging or discounting, but thought I'd go on record with the positive experience I had owning BMW's.       
2017 C14 - AST Risers / Peg Lowering kit / mccruise /Garmin 595/Shoodaben MR / Area P / Kawi Touring Seat.
Second Bike 2017 BMW R12R

Offline Bergmen

  • Arena
  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 45
  • Country: 00
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2017, 03:30:26 pm »
Good to see you hanging around Dan!  That's all I have to add to this conversation so carry on.

Yeah, I cruise by here once a week or so. Almost never post unless it is on a subject that I can contribute to (such as this one). I've been without a Kawasaki since August of 2014 when I sold the ZGRX1200. Been riding my 2014 Yamaha FJR since I bought it in November of 2013.

Dan

Offline motonerd14

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 18
  • Country: us
  • Nerd & Ziggy
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2018, 12:14:15 am »
While I don't intend on replacing my 2012, I did e-mail Kawasaki suggesting they continue the shaft drive and midsize touring bike feel of the C14 on the next iteration. I did also ask for cruise control. Last year I rode a few FJRs with this and while I'm not crazy about it, I can see why folks might want that feature, especially on a bike as buzzy as that FJR. (Not that one can ever use cruise control anywhere for long with the nitwits on California's roads...)

I sold 7 C14s at the dealership I worked at in 2017. 5 new, 2 used. Every customer loved them. All were converts from other brands, some on bigger bikes and others trading up from the 1000cc class. When I worked in the service department, we maintained California Highway Patrol C14s as well as regular civilian bikes and never had any failures come in. One CHP bike had just over 120k miles and Kawasaki recommended the cam chain be replaced. So we did. Still had the original shims though.

We never had any leaking final drive seals, though almost every post-March 2011 C14 that came in did have the leaking cam position sensor problem. No other faults or issues reported. We serviced a total of probably 30 different C14s and I'd consider that track record exemplary. The service manager used to joke that they only ever came in to take an oil break and then go back out for more.

I put 55k on my 2000, and 64k on my 2012 so far. If sport touring is going away as a segment, it would be really nice to at least have a replacement for my KLR but with a driveshaft next.

Offline Dualsport

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 22
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #79 on: May 16, 2018, 03:34:57 pm »
If I traded in my C14 (I'm on my second C14) - with ONLY 18,000 miles on the ODO -- and a constant love of the bike -- for a new H2 SX SE, I would have less comfort, more headaches, no constant smile on my face, AND SMALLER SIDE BAGS, and a $311 / mo. payment for 60 months. The way I see it their sales will still go down. Kawi's strategy for the KLR 650 has been good hasn't it? let the prices climb elsewhere and Kawi should stick to us 'minimalists' who just love real motorcycles.  That's my two cents, but heck, what do I know, as I've been hacked ever since they got rid of the storage on top of the tank AND CRAMMED ABS down my throat!!  :rotflmao:

Offline katata1100

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 620
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #80 on: May 16, 2018, 05:11:55 pm »
You left out crazy high insurance premiums.

Offline teqnc2

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 3
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2018, 03:03:00 pm »
So, I just went and did a quick google to get more info about the H2 SX.

I love the engine. I hate the rest of it.

I love my '08 C14, but my only concern is a wish that it had better mpg. If they were to put that new supercharged 1000 into the C14 frame, I would consider that to be the perfect bike.

Offline Akumu

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 14
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2018, 04:08:53 pm »
H2 SX was never meant to be anything like a C14. Meant as a Sport Touring ZX14R replacement. LOTS of ZX-14(R) are bagged out, bar risered, taller windscreened bike. Basically an inline 4 VFR with 100 more hp.

If you want a C14 that gets better mileage you're best off with a 12+ C14, with it's ECO thingy and a proper flash. I've read mid 40s are quite common. I'm cool with 39-43mpg on my 08.

Offline katata1100

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 620
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2018, 05:58:53 pm »
My ‘11 has a flash but the thing that really help mpg was the mccruise. That , when used with eco, gives me an easy 50+ mpg. I’ll take her on a five day trip in July and will report back on mpg.

Offline freebird6

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 267
  • Country: us
  • In a big country...
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #84 on: May 20, 2018, 07:01:02 am »


If you want a C14 that gets better mileage you're best off with a 12+ C14, with it's ECO thingy and a proper flash. I've read mid 40s are quite common. I'm cool with 39-43mpg on my 08.

I would agree with this. My 08 was the same as yours. My 13 with Steve's flash is mid to upper 40s with about 30 to 50 extra miles a tank running mid grade instead of premium on these flat Indiana roads depending on my twitchy wrist. When I make it down to my wife's homeland in Southeast Ohio I run premium and enjoy the curves, hills and wrist action which changes my gas consumption profile.
2008 Concours
2007 Mean Streak
99 r1100rt

Offline Wickedsprint

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 15
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2018, 06:03:11 pm »
Love Kawasakis and my C14. If the H2SX is around in 3-4 years when I decide to upgrade, it could easily fill the role of my C14 for how I utilize the bike...something slightly more comfy than a sportbike but with enough thrust to be engaging.

...if it’s insurable. 


Offline Poseidon

  • Arena
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 387
  • Country: us
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2018, 06:10:10 pm »
Love Kawasakis and my C14. If the H2SX is around in 3-4 years when I decide to upgrade, it could easily fill the role of my C14 for how I utilize the bike...something slightly more comfy than a sportbike but with enough thrust to be engaging.

...if it’s insurable.

You just described the Concours perfectly... at least in my opinion anyway.

...ok, a lot more comfortable than a sport bike, but otherwise perfect!
2017 Concours 14
2016 Victory Magnum
2013 M109R
2016 Can Am Spyder F3T - Wife's bike

Offline 4Bikes

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Country: us
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2019, 04:33:29 pm »
I stopped by a Honda dealer looking for riding pants. The sales guy obviously tracked me down and asked what I was riding. I told him a 2011 C-14 With 70,000 miles and and 2019 Versys SE LT plus. We talked for a long time mainly what this thread is about. What is the future of Sport Touring and why is it only old guys buying these bikes?  I called him out that Honda ditched the ST-1300. And his quick reply was there it is and pointed to their Gold Wing on the floor. That is Honda’s sport tourer. He went on to say that in the past year he had three VERY high mileage C-14’s traded in for Gold Wings. I think this speaks to the fact the C-14 owners like their motorcycles and pile on the miles. When it comes to buying a new bike they are choosing new technologies like the Gold Wing. The Gold Wing is not my first thought for a Sport Tourer, but I can see why other C-14 owners see why it suits their needs. Read Kawasaki is losing sales because their bikes are behind in tech. I stuck with Kawasaki with the Versys because I wanted to keep my C-14 but get some more tech.  C-14 riders switching to even bigger bikes sort of goes opposite to guys that are aging want smaller lighter rides.
Keep the rubber side down.  Ride Fast......Live Slow......

Offline maxtog

  • Elite Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 8166
  • Country: us
  • 2011 Silver
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #88 on: October 05, 2019, 09:45:13 pm »
I called him out that Honda ditched the ST-1300. And his quick reply was there it is and pointed to their Gold Wing on the floor. That is Honda’s sport tourer.

They can think that all they want.  But I am guessing perhaps none of us (including me) think the Gold Wing is a "Sport Tourer".  Tourer, yes.  Grand Tourer, yes.  It is far to huge and heavy to fit the class.  But, ya know, on the other end of the spectrum, manufacturers take a sport bike and put heated grips on it and move the pegs back a bit and call THAT a sports tourer.  Hmm.

Quote
When it comes to buying a new bike they are choosing new technologies like the Gold Wing.

There isn't much choice anymore.  The C14 is ancient tech now, 12 years old, built on technology of the 14-year-old ZX-14.  That it is still relevant is a testament to just how good it really was/is.  And no, there is nothing wrong with the wonderful dual analog displays- but no cornering lights, mostly non-LED, few ride modes, small B&W single-mode screen, lack of cruise, non heated-seat, no closed-loop FI, etc, does matter now to customers.

Quote
The Gold Wing is not my first thought for a Sport Tourer

Because it isn't one :)

Quote
Read Kawasaki is losing sales because their bikes are behind in tech.

Bingo.

Quote
C-14 riders switching to even bigger bikes sort of goes opposite to guys that are aging want smaller lighter rides.

Again, we have only one choice left in our class- the Yamaha FJR.  It has some updated tech, but is still not to the level of the ancient C14 in many ways.  So if you don't like that choice, you will soon have no choice- you either go smaller which lacks "tour" (missing: long wheelbase, copious storage, great wind protection, shaft drive, reliability, power windscreen, smoothness, long warranty, etc), or larger, which lacks "sport" (missing: lighter weight, great performance, considerable lean angle, more aggressive posture).  :(

Depressing topic for me.
Shoodaben (was Guhl) Mountain Runner ECU flash, Canyon Cages front/rear, Helibars risers, Phil's wedges, Grip Puppies, Sargent World seat-low & heated & pod, Muzzy lowering links, Soupy's stand, Nautilus air horn, Admore lightbar, Ronnie's highway pegs, front running lights, all LED, helmet locks, RAM Xgrip, Sena SMH10, Throttle Tamer, MRA X-Creen, BearingUp Shifter, PR4-GT, Scorpion EXO-T1200,etc

Offline VirginiaJim

  • Administrator
  • Elite Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10747
  • Country: england
  • I've forgotten more than I'll ever know...
    • Kawasaki 1400GTR
Re: The Future of th C14
« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2019, 06:39:23 am »
I've seen it go both ways as well.  Some go lighter, some go heavier.  I went heavier.  I wanted more comfort and integrated cruise control.


The GW is not a sport tourer.  Never has been, never will be.  However. I have had friends in the past with GWs outride true sport touring bikes.  A lot depends on the rider.


The C14 is one of the best kept secrets of the sport touring group.  It's fairly inexpensive and has extreme performance.
"LOCTITE®"  The original thread locker...  #11  2016 Indian Roadmaster, ABS, Cruise control, heated grips and seats 46 Monitoring with cutting edge technology U.N.I.T is Back! 2008 C14 Moved on to a new home.