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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #120 on: September 17, 2019, 08:17:07 am »
Ok, based on the statement "In court Monday, Judge Phillip Montgomery ordered that Hoover be held on a $10,000 bond. If he were to come up with the $1,000 needed to get out of jail" I have an (honest) question.  (?)

I've seen this before; a person has to come up with 1/10th of the Bond/Bail to get out of jail.
Why is there a bond set and a person has to come up with only 1/10th of that amount?  :o

To me, the idea definitely qualifies as "Stupid is as stupid does".

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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #121 on: September 17, 2019, 10:15:41 am »
I've seen this before; a person has to come up with 1/10th of the Bond/Bail to get out of jail.
Why is there a bond set and a person has to come up with only 1/10th of that amount?  :o

It usually works out all around. If "dufus" doesn't show he (or usually his bondsman) owe the court $10,000. The 10% usually ends up being the fee that the bondsman gets to keep after dufus is convicted or exonerated. This works out in that the tax payer is relieved of the burden of housing; feeding;and medically attending to the dufus. The state doesn't have to keep tabs on the dufus as usually the bondsman makes the dufus check in weekly or will do the search for dufus when dufus goes missing. This also prevents an undo burden on the poor if they are innocent, in that they can continue to work and not get too much poorer as they would if in jail waiting for trial. It could occasionally leave a bondsman in a bad spot financially but then that applies to almost any business. There may be insurance companies that insure bondsmen for all I know about it.

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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #122 on: September 17, 2019, 01:16:34 pm »
Yeah, all of that plus it is a Constitutional right to have physical freedom unless convicted of some crime or if one presents a 'immediate and dire' danger to society.

As to the bail bondsman losing that 90% (or whatever it is in each circumstance), remember there are a lot of bounty hunters in the US and they can be outright relentless, and vicious, in the pursuit of those with outstanding warrants. And as they only get paid when they produce these persons, they put a lot of effort into it as well as it being their only job; picking up those with outstanding warrants usually falls pretty low on the 'to do' list of gov't employed law enforcement.

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It usually works out all around. If "dufus" doesn't show he (or usually his bondsman) owe the court $10,000. The 10% usually ends up being the fee that the bondsman gets to keep after dufus is convicted or exonerated. This works out in that the tax payer is relieved of the burden of housing; feeding;and medically attending to the dufus. The state doesn't have to keep tabs on the dufus as usually the bondsman makes the dufus check in weekly or will do the search for dufus when dufus goes missing. This also prevents an undo burden on the poor if they are innocent, in that they can continue to work and not get too much poorer as they would if in jail waiting for trial. It could occasionally leave a bondsman in a bad spot financially but then that applies to almost any business. There may be insurance companies that insure bondsmen for all I know about it.

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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #123 on: September 17, 2019, 04:53:52 pm »
Yeah, all of that plus it is a Constitutional right to have physical freedom unless convicted of some crime or if one presents a 'immediate and dire' danger to society.

^^^^^^this
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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #124 on: September 18, 2019, 08:54:06 am »
Still seems like a stupid system to me.

More sense; Set the Bond for a reasonable number that some can post Bond for, not an unreal number that can't be met and let them pay 10%.

Reason I ask; We have had a "Dufus" in our area that Bonded out 3 times in a row for snatching purses and beating up old ladies.   After he got out the 3rd time, he tried again, shot a cop and the cop shot/killed him. (Good riddance)

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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #125 on: September 18, 2019, 03:03:54 pm »
Still seems like a stupid system to me.[...]Reason I ask; We have had a "Dufus" in our area that Bonded out 3 times in a row for snatching purses and beating up old ladies.   After he got out the 3rd time, he tried again, shot a cop and the cop shot/killed him. (Good riddance)

I don't think the bond system was the fault there.  If there was a repeat pattern, it seems odd the judge would set a reachable bond or even allow it at that point.  I believe they do have discretion for such situations (although I really don't know for sure).
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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #126 on: November 20, 2019, 10:40:49 am »
I guess this would really be 'stupid is as stupid says', at least sometimes.

Apparently Robert De Niro is afraid that the current president, Donald Trump, may be able to serve three terms as President by starting a war.... The idea was suggested to him by Martin Scorsese. De Niro alludes to that fact that the only President to serve more than two terms was Franklin Roosevelt (true) and seems to be saying that that was because of 'a war' (World War II): not true. FDR served more than two terms because he was elected again in his second term and THAT WAS LEGAL AT THAT TIME. This is truly amazing to me as it would seem that both of these gentlemen (De Niro and Scorsese) are a little 'shy' in their knowledge of the 'owner's manual for the USA', the Constitution. Specifically, the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution that expressly forbids anyone from serving more than two terms (though technically one <could> serve more than eight years if some part of that time in office was in finishing another President's term though not more than two years of it.... 10 years max. as President of the US).

Now ignorance and stupidity are things we have in abundance and we all have to deal with them and the results of both of them. The problem is that the stupider of the population seem to give greater importance to the OPINIONS, correct or not, of celebrities. I have no idea why that is but it does seem to be so. Amazing

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert-de-niro-believes-trump-will-start-a-war-so-he-can-serve-three-terms-as-president

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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #127 on: November 20, 2019, 03:34:01 pm »
This is truly amazing to me as it would seem that both of these gentlemen (De Niro and Scorsese) are a little 'shy' in their knowledge of the 'owner's manual for the USA', the Constitution.

DeNiro is a whack job, in addition to being ignorant.
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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #128 on: November 20, 2019, 05:29:46 pm »
The idea was suggested to him by Martin Scorsese.

You know, it would all make more sense if it had been suggested by Oliver Stone, as I'm sure he could have wound up a conspiracy theory on how they were going to get around
the restrictions in the constitution. Since it's Scorsese, I guess it was all just based on ignorance. Not that there is any short supply on that nationwide when it comes to knowledge of the
U. S. Constitution.

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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #129 on: November 21, 2019, 05:41:51 am »
I guess this would really be 'stupid is as stupid says', at least sometimes.

Apparently Robert De Niro is afraid that the current president, Donald Trump, may be able to serve three terms as President by starting a war.... The idea was suggested to him by Martin Scorsese. De Niro alludes to that fact that the only President to serve more than two terms was Franklin Roosevelt (true) and seems to be saying that that was because of 'a war' (World War II): not true. FDR served more than two terms because he was elected again in his second term and THAT WAS LEGAL AT THAT TIME. This is truly amazing to me as it would seem that both of these gentlemen (De Niro and Scorsese) are a little 'shy' in their knowledge of the 'owner's manual for the USA', the Constitution. Specifically, the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution that expressly forbids anyone from serving more than two terms (though technically one <could> serve more than eight years if some part of that time in office was in finishing another President's term though not more than two years of it.... 10 years max. as President of the US).

Now ignorance and stupidity are things we have in abundance and we all have to deal with them and the results of both of them. The problem is that the stupider of the population seem to give greater importance to the OPINIONS, correct or not, of celebrities. I have no idea why that is but it does seem to be so. Amazing

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert-de-niro-believes-trump-will-start-a-war-so-he-can-serve-three-terms-as-president

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DeNiro is a whack job, in addition to being ignorant.

He may be an ignorant whack job but at least his heart is in the right place.
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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #130 on: November 21, 2019, 03:13:33 pm »
He may be an ignorant whack job but at least his heart is in the right place.

Could be.  And he is a great actor (I like his movies).  The problem is that people need compassion AND a reasonable approach.  "Teach a man to fish" not "give a man a fish".  Of course, there are times you need to do both, but the latter is not a reasonable full/time permanent solution.

The other problem is that TV/Movie/Celebrities are generally not any more knowledgeable, credible, insightful, or capable (outside their field) than anyone else.  Their job is to entertain and pretend to be other people.  It isn't to solve the world's problems.... most have no special skill or knowledge that should afford their voice any more weight than mine or yours (for example).  In many cases, they are so isolated from "reality", their opinions are WORSE.  So when the media rolls out celebrities' virtue signaling and such, it really makes me want to barf (regardless of what position they might have).
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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #131 on: November 21, 2019, 06:05:08 pm »
Whoa there! Are you telling me that there is even a remote possibility that Jenny McCarthy may be wrong and we SHOULD vaccinate our children?

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The other problem is that TV/Movie/Celebrities are generally not any more knowledgeable, credible, insightful, or capable (outside their field) than anyone else.  Their job is to entertain and pretend to be other people.  It isn't to solve the world's problems.... most have no special skill or knowledge that should afford their voice any more weight than mine or yours (for example).  In many cases, they are so isolated from "reality", their opinions are WORSE.  So when the media rolls out celebrities' virtue signaling and such, it really makes me want to barf (regardless of what position they might have).
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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #132 on: November 22, 2019, 01:35:07 am »
As for the people who believe what a preacher/politician/celebrity says over what a doctor/scientist says, well I say let them believe what they will.
I do feel sorry for their children for having to go back to pre-science levels of mortality but then that is what their parents chose for them.
In the long term the problem is self correcting and they may actually be doing Homo Sapiens Sapiens a favour by breeding stupidity and gullibility out of the species.
I think of Anti-Vaxxers as chlorine for the gene-pool  ;D
It's just a shame that their kids, and the kids of others should have to suffer because of their stupidity.  :'(
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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #133 on: November 22, 2019, 07:00:21 am »
As for the people who believe what a preacher/politician/celebrity says over what a doctor/scientist says, well I say let them believe what they will.
I do feel sorry for their children for having to go back to pre-science levels of mortality but then that is what their parents chose for them.
In the long term the problem is self correcting and they may actually be doing Homo Sapiens Sapiens a favour by breeding stupidity and gullibility out of the species.
I think of Anti-Vaxxers as chlorine for the gene-pool  ;D
It's just a shame that their kids, and the kids of others should have to suffer because of their stupidity.  :'(


You may be right B but the problem is, for many of us, the bolded section above takes so damn long! And it seems that before this happens, we, as a people seemingly are, on average, getting less and less intelligent. 


 

You can also add another group of entertainers to that list above, professional athletes. 
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Re: Stupid is as stupid does
« Reply #134 on: November 22, 2019, 03:43:03 pm »
You may be right B but the problem is, for many of us, the bolded section above takes so damn long! And it seems that before this happens, we, as a people seemingly are, on average, getting less and less intelligent. 

That's what happens when a huge government steps in and saves everyone from themselves, insulates everyone from the consequence of their poor life choices, and allows everyone to be a "victim".  For example, right now, the government is the "daddy" to how many children?  Freedom doesn't work without responsibility and accountability.
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