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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2018, 05:44:26 pm »
I'll get right to the point...

I bought a brand new 2014 Concours14 from a dealer in Monterrey County, CA. I guess I'm unusual in that the bike was bought as a work vehicle for daily use.
Within 5000 miles the bike started having ABS/linked brake issues like what many have noticed. Rear brake pedal drops, front brake grab and general unpredictable braking.

Kawasaki dealer in Fremont, CA confirmed the issue in writing. Original Kawasaki dealer in Monterrey county also confirmed the problem. Kawasaki stated this was a "know issue with ALL Concours 14 BEFORE 2016" Kawasaki also stated this is a "characteristic of all Concours 14s".

After 2 months of arguing and the CA Kawasaki rep personally riding my bike, Kawasaki agreed & paid the Fremont dealer to try to update my bike to a 2016 ABS system. They where unable to get the wiring to match so the complete ABS system was replaced with a 2014 system. The bike was fine for another 15,000 miles and then the problem came back with a vengeance.

Then around 20,000 miles I started noticing instability issues during hard braking.... Finally one afternoon while exiting Hwy880 in Fremont the right front caliper locked up while the left did not engage causing a massive steering vibration that caused the back of the bike to also start oscillating. Due to 20+ years of semi professional riding I was able to keep the bike upright and stop. Barely...

Bike went to a 3rd Kawasaki dealer in Hayward, CA and was confirmed to have a stuck right caliper...

Kawasaki has admitted that ALL Concours 14s before 2016 have ABS/Linked brake issues. Interestingly all the local police departments have also stopped using the Concours 14....

As of December 2017 we have filed suit against Kawasaki in Monterrey County court under California's lemon law based on the fact that the bike is unsafe. I've ridden bikes for 20+ years of all makes and this bike's brakes do not function correctly. 

Anyone else having similar issues can contact me and I will pass along my attorneys contact info.

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First post, from someone unknown, that joined forum yesterday... that has no clue how going online and making blasting statements, and outrageous diatribe about his "pending lawsuit" (which any attorney would say... "I'm droppin' your case like a hot steamer"...) for doing so, WILL effect anu outcome of a lawsuit... simply exacerbates the BullShirt...

Lets just say this, First off, NO Kaw rep will say "it's and inherent problem".. period, it just doesn't happen... so that's Bull'Sht
any Kaw factory person would already KNOW you can't swap partial components systems from newer models to older models... so the "amazing discovery of the wires not accommodating" would never even been a "discovery", because they would never OK that...multiple major components, brake ECU, Hydraulic pump/valve system,lines,  wheel rotors and sensors, and programming are involved... so Bull'Sht point #2

Knowing this system inside out, as Ex-Tech Editor, that has been on the pulse of this bike since prior to it's release, and knowing the differences in all 3 versions of the braking systems, I'm just going to say "best of luck" come back and tell us "how this all worked out for you".... because it wreaks of Bull'Sht.

Or maybe I'd have to say Duck'Sht...

by the way,
since introduction in 2007, and using this, and the actual COG forum as a barometer, I can safely say I've seen less than 10 actual instances of ABS/Linked brake (combined) failure, and NONE have had this set of issues, or outcomes.

I can't speak for Kawasaki in a corporate format, but I can say that IF you had all these issues, and IF all this documentation you say went back and forth thru Corporate channels... You would have been handed a new motorcycle, in trade for your "LEMON", just to make sure to cover the fact....

again, Best of luck

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2018, 06:05:40 am »
The only issue with the PD usage that we've heard about is electrical.   We've seen a few ABS issues but more related to build up / dirt whatever in the units themselves.   Early linking braked bikes from Kwackers was more of an implementation issue on how they worked than a 'defect'.   I'm with Rich on this.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2018, 10:34:59 am »
The only issue with the PD usage that we've heard about is electrical.   We've seen a few ABS issues but more related to build up / dirt whatever in the units themselves.   Early linking braked bikes from Kwackers was more of an implementation issue on how they worked than a 'defect'.   I'm with Rich on this.
I’ll confirm the electrical issues with the bikes our department used.  The electrical problems were not of the manufacturer, but from the person who had won the bid and did a pisspoor job of wiring the extra police equipment on the bikes.  I have never heard a problems with the brakes, unlike the Harleys....
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2018, 10:55:29 am »
Correct!
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2018, 10:13:54 pm »
....the differences in all 3 versions of the braking systems...

There might be 4 if you are a picky (persnickety?) person about it. The 2010 non-abs has a different front hose configuration/routing than any other. (see part 43095-0501)

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2018, 03:05:21 am »
Interesting,never heard of any one in Australia or the UK having these concerns. My 2014 GTR 1400 linked brake/ABS set up works fine.
If this gentleman has filed a law suit against Kawasaki wouldn't you guys in the states be able to get copy of it,wouldn't there be a public notice printed somewhere?
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2018, 02:07:58 pm »
No problems with my brakes , since 2011.

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2018, 02:28:22 am »
3 pages in and the OP hasn't come back to defend his corner, hmmmm


Anyone know if he's popped up anywhere else?
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2018, 05:14:26 am »
Could be just a drive-by, dropping a lit firecracker into this hen house?
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2018, 05:25:00 am »
I just sent the op a pm asking how the lawsuit is going. Maybe he'll enlighten us.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2018, 05:48:40 am »
I just sent the op a pm asking how the lawsuit is going. Maybe he'll enlighten us.

I doubt it.

I think if he doesn't show (which is probable), the whole thread should be nuked (or at a minimum "lawsuit pending" removed from the title).  It is almost paramount to slander against the Concours.  Not because it might be ONE PERSON'S experience [and even that is questionable] but it implies there is a huge failure that affects dozens, hundreds, or thousands of owners.... which we know isn't true.   It will show up in searches and might even on Google searches.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2018, 05:59:47 am »
I would concur with a subject line modification.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2018, 06:24:27 am »
He's pokin his head (easy boys) back in but not posting as far as I can tell.  I'm starting to think this is a trolling maneuver just to stir things up.


With that being said, I'm not going to nuke it or modify the subject line.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit (Allegedly) pending
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2018, 06:42:04 am »
He's pokin his head (easy boys) back in but not posting as far as I can tell.  I'm starting to think this is a trolling maneuver just to stir things up.


With that being said, I'm not going to nuke it or modify the subject line.

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2018, 07:11:22 am »
He (Feral Cat) responded to my PM, he even gave me a phone number to call. (allegedly his number, not his attorney's)
Of course if he wins, we'll never hear about it. Kawasaki may quit making the C14, but I doubt they'll recall the lot of them to change out the braking system. They'll settle with a confidentiality agreement.