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Offline Feral Cat

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Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« on: January 19, 2018, 11:33:08 pm »
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2018, 05:13:12 am »
Finally one afternoon while exiting Hwy880 in Fremont the right front caliper locked up while the left did not engage causing a massive steering vibration that caused the back of the bike to also start oscillating.

Firstly, under what braking conditions did this occur? 

Secondly, how would that cause a massive steering vibration?

Thirdly, how would 'a massive steering vibration' cause 'the back of the bike to also start oscillating?'

Fourthly, what is the cause of the 'stuck right caliper?' 

Fiftly, was the rear brake operational?

Obviously, the bike couldn't easily be moved without releasing it - how was this done?

I don't doubt what you say occurred, just curious and don't follow how your experiences relate to the linked system with TC.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2018, 06:41:09 am »
started having ABS/linked brake issues like what many have noticed. Rear brake pedal drops, front brake grab and general unpredictable braking.

Many?  If this forum is at all representative of what does on out there in the real world, I am not sure you could use the word "many".  I admit my memory isn't all that great, but there are tens of thousands of postings on this forum and I can't recall any with a story even remotely similar to yours.  I am not trying to dismiss or diminish what happened to you, but try to set a perspective.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2018, 06:48:55 am »
You might post on the COG forum also.... http://forum.cog-online.org/
I have heard there is also a Fakebook thing for the Concours...might stir up something there.
Please keep us informed.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2018, 07:27:22 am »
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Kawasaki dealer in Fremont, CA confirmed the issue in writing. Original Kawasaki dealer in Monterrey county also confirmed the problem. Kawasaki stated this was a "know issue with ALL Concours 14 BEFORE 2016" Kawasaki also stated this is a "characteristic of all Concours 14s".


All C-14s?

Keep in mind that first gen C-14s (2008 & 2009) did not have TC or linked brakes. Are you saying that these are also involved in this?
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2018, 08:28:39 am »
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2018, 08:45:48 am »
I'd be interested to hear more.
Many of us have complained about the Linked brakes.
Maybe Momma KAW will have to do something?
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2018, 08:54:07 am »
Thought the newer linked system started with the '15 :-\
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2018, 08:55:53 am »
All C-14s?

Keep in mind that first gen C-14s (2008 & 2009) did not have TC or linked brakes. Are you saying that these are also involved in this?
As an 08 owner II caught that also: "ABS/linked brake issues"
OP should clarify which years he his suit addresses.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2018, 09:03:37 am »
Sounds like BS to me.
Many bikes have been made with just one front caliper, I guess they would all have a massive steering vibration.

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2018, 11:01:49 am »
As C said, it ain't affecting the Classic C14's as we aren't linked.....thank goodness.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 11:11:26 am »
Once again the superiority of the Gen 1 shines through. 8)
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 11:15:15 am »
60000 miles and my 2010 stops like a champ. Why have I not heard of any issue like this. All I remember are complaints of linked brakes as a concept but not practical problems.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2018, 01:37:22 pm »
I'd be interested to hear more.  Many of us have complained about the Linked brakes.

Well, there is a huge difference between complaints about linked brakes due to a personal preference- either not liking linked brakes or not liking how strongly they are linked, and a reports of caliper lockups or rear pedal drops!

I have read every post on the two main forums since zggtr.org went live (again) in 2011 and have only seen just personal preference complaints about the linked system.

As far as I am aware, the only design change with the linking that has ever been done was to just lessen the linking (2015 I think).
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2018, 01:48:58 pm »
The only "known" issue I'm aware of is the one that prompted a recall, issued in 20089 & 2012

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On eligible units of 1400 GTR and 1400GTR ABS models small stones or other road debris can become trapped between the rear brake pedal and guard and prevent the pedal from fully releasing. This can cause over heating potentially leading to rear brake damage and lock up or failure of the rear brake. On 14 GTR ABS models with K-ACT the front brake may also be affected because it is linked with rear brake operation.

The repair consists of replacing the rear master cylinder rod end and removing the guard.
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Launch Date   Recalls Number   Make   Model(s)   Concern   VIN Start   VIN End   Build Start   Build End
1   01/02/2008   RM/2008/005   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   side case may become detached   JKBZGT40AAA005036   JKBGT40AAA013543      
2   01/02/2008   RM/2008/006   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear carrier may become detatched   JKBZGT40AAA005036   JKBZGT40AAA011397      
3   19/01/2009   RM/2009/002   KAWASAKI   ZG1400A8F   possible loss of control due to rear brake lock up.   JKBZGT40AAA005036   JKBZGT40AAA015140      
4   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40CCA013002   JKBZGT40CCA017411      
5   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40AAA005009   JKBZGT40AAA015140      
6   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40AAA019001   JKBZGT40AAA0222802      
7   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40CCA000036   JKBZGT40CCA003557      
8   08/08/2012   RM/2012/016   KAWASAKI   ZG1400   rear brake may fail   JKBZGT40CCA006032   JKBZGT40CCA009994      
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