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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #105 on: March 09, 2018, 12:58:24 pm »
Currently (3-6-2018) at court ordered mediation.

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #106 on: March 09, 2018, 03:11:43 pm »
He's Still hangin around, and checking on his thread... but nothing to say..... ::)

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interesting case description...
Case Type: Breach of Contract/Warranty

activity stretching out....

HEARINGS
Dept.                     Date    Time                File    Type                                          Result   
Department 14         3/6/2018   9:00AM              Conference: Case Management          Held   
Department 14     6/26/2018   9:02AM      Conference: Case Management

as for "recall issues", the fact o/p makes written statements here, basing the choice by some police departments to forego using the ZG platform, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the integrity of the motorcycle as delivered and sold... all of the issues revolved around the addition of "outfitting specialty gear" to those bikes, and fall directly on the "outfitter" of these squad bikes...
Just the same as if you or I as an aftermarket customer was to retrofit a different windshield, Handle bar modifications, or any electronic equipment in a manner that proves to be unsafe.

http://wemakeitsafer.com/vehicle-recall/Kawasaki-Concours-14-Recall-4406464

and

http://www.arfc.org/motorcycles/kawasaki/concours_14/recalls.aspx

here are the formal recalls, and additional ones were the initial one of the rear brake pedal could be "wedged" by debris or a small stone... ( there were 2 recalls in total to cover the issue), also the original tail rack, made from plastic, was not suited for the addition of a large trunk... and issues arose from customer additions.. only other problem documented were a few instances of the headlight  adjuster knobs "falling off", not a safety issue at all...
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2018, 01:05:03 pm »
Once again the superiority of the Gen 1 shines through. 8)
Unless you were lucky enough to score mine. No nannies on my 2010. The last year to opt out of any of it.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2018, 06:17:41 pm »
Unless you were lucky enough to score mine. No nannies on my 2010. The last year to opt out of any of it.

As I've said elsewhere, I think that is the rarest of all C14s. It's different than the Gen I's and yet still different from most of the Gen II's.

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #109 on: March 22, 2018, 08:06:52 pm »
As I've said elsewhere, I think that is the rarest of all C14s. It's different than the Gen I's and yet still different from most of the Gen II's.

Actually, I the 2010 is identical to the later Gen2's in every way except that the ABS system was optional.  But that optional system was the same as the 2011+ system, not the optional system used on 2008-2009.  It was made standard in 2011.

So a 2010+ with ABS has linked brakes a 2008-2009 with ABS does not.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #110 on: March 23, 2018, 03:52:36 am »
Are you sure about the linked brakes? Where's the traction control?
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #111 on: March 23, 2018, 05:46:20 am »
Are you sure about the linked brakes?

Based on reviews and research, yes.  2010: "2nd Generation K-ACT (Kawasaki Advanced Coactive-braking Technology) ABS links front and rear brakes for most effective front-rear brake force distribution"

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Where's the traction control?

That was a standard gen 2 feature, 2010+.  2010: "KTRC (Kawasaki Traction Control): Kawasaki’s first traction control system reduces engine output when wheel spin is detected, allowing the rear tire to regain grip.  Advanced, 3-way control (airflow, ignition timing, fuel delivery) gives KTRC smooth operation"
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #112 on: March 23, 2018, 08:19:56 am »
Actually, I the 2010 is identical to the later Gen2's in every way except that the ABS system was optional. 

Yes, but the '10 non ABS doesn't have Traction control nor linked brakes, and it has part number 43095-0501 (front brakes) that to the best of my knowledge no other model of C14 and perhaps no other Kawasaki bike uses. This is all based online part fiche research (rainy days) so it's accuracy is based on that. There may be a different meter for that model as well that no other bike uses. Now I'm starting to wonder about the switch gear on the left bar. It should have the meter change button that was formerly for the flash to pass, but no abs or trac buttons yet still have the newer flash to pass Incorporated in the Hi/lo beam switch. That might be another unique part. I can see why mama Kaw quit doing that in '11.

Jimmymac, does your meter/dash have the ABS and Traction control lights (non functioning) on the tach?

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #113 on: March 23, 2018, 04:05:24 pm »
Yes, but the '10 non ABS doesn't have Traction control nor linked brakes, and it has part number 43095-0501 (front brakes) that to the best of my knowledge no other model of C14 and perhaps no other Kawasaki bike uses.

Linking is a function of 2010+ ABS.  So without ABS on a 2010, there was no linking either.  Of that, there is no question.

But my research seemed to indicate that traction control was standard.  TC has nothing to do with ABS.  I am pretty sure the light would be on the dash (I doubt they would have another whole dash, especially since I doubt they would use the older gen1 dash which was yellow and not white back lighting).  The only other "part" is the TC switch (everything else is just software)...  maybe they used a different handlebar switch cluster (gen 1?) so it had no ABS linking button on it which also took away the TC button?  Inquiring minds!
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #114 on: March 23, 2018, 04:39:45 pm »
Linking is a function of 2010+ ABS.  So without ABS on a 2010, there was no linking either.  Of that, there is no question.

But my research seemed to indicate that traction control was standard.  TC has nothing to do with ABS.  I am pretty sure the light would be on the dash (I doubt they would have another whole dash, especially since I doubt they would use the older gen1 dash which was yellow and not white back lighting).  The only other "part" is the TC switch (everything else is just software)...  maybe they used a different handlebar switch cluster (gen 1?) so it had no ABS linking button on it which also took away the TC button?  Inquiring minds!


Depends how it's implemented.

Hondas ST1100 used the rear wheel ABS sensor as part of the TCS that was fitted.

Admittedly a lot older bike and yes technically its a diffferent thing, just with a shared component :)
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #115 on: March 23, 2018, 04:53:50 pm »

Depends how it's implemented.

Hondas ST1100 used the rear wheel ABS sensor as part of the TCS that was fitted.

Admittedly a lot older bike and yes technically its a diffferent thing, just with a shared component :)

Ooooh, very good point/observation!
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #116 on: March 23, 2018, 04:59:45 pm »
Linking is a function of 2010+ ABS.  So without ABS on a 2010, there was no linking either.  Of that, there is no question.

But my research seemed to indicate that traction control was standard.  TC has nothing to do with ABS.  I am pretty sure the light would be on the dash (I doubt they would have another whole dash, especially since I doubt they would use the older gen1 dash which was yellow and not white back lighting).  The only other "part" is the TC switch (everything else is just software)...  maybe they used a different handlebar switch cluster (gen 1?) so it had no ABS linking button on it which also took away the TC button?  Inquiring minds!

I thought the ABS and traction control both used the same wheel speed sensors. Maybe I'm wrong tho.
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #117 on: March 23, 2018, 05:08:54 pm »
The parts fiche for the non ABS '10 C14 do not show wheel speed sensors so I don't know how traction control could work without them.

The Kawasaki site defaults to the ABS owner's manual even when you select the non-ABS model....so?

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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #118 on: March 24, 2018, 07:56:40 am »
Traction control was introduced with the Gen.2 C-14 in 2010. Kawasaki put on that demo with wet plastic that no one could ride (power) over until the T/C was engaged as a big part of the intro. Not sure when linked brakes showed up but ABS was still an option for 2010 and finally made standard on all bikes in 2011.

But the way traction control works, the ABS wheel sensors would be needed even on the non- ABS models for the traction control alone. Probably why they just went ABS on all bikes after 2010.

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The parts fiche for the non ABS '10 C14 do not show wheel speed sensors so I don't know how traction control could work without them.

The Kawasaki site defaults to the ABS owner's manual even when you select the non-ABS model....so?
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Re: Concours 14 ABS/Linked brakes lawsuit pending
« Reply #119 on: March 24, 2018, 09:18:01 pm »
Traction control was introduced with the Gen.2 C-14 in 2010. Kawasaki put on that demo with wet plastic that no one could ride (power) over until the T/C was engaged as a big part of the intro. Not sure when linked brakes showed up but ABS was still an option for 2010 and finally made standard on all bikes in 2011.

Linked brakes came [automatically/mandatorily] with the gen2 (2010+) ABS system.  I do know that.
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