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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #120 on: February 26, 2018, 06:19:00 pm »
For many of us this side of the pond the word "Armalite" is synonymous with the Provisional IRA as many AR15s & AR18s were purchased (legally I believe) in the US with funds provided by Irish American Republicans before being smuggled in (illegally) to Northern Ireland on ships such as the QE2.

A little more than scary looking, the AR18 was particularly liked by them for it's stopping power and indeed became known as "The WidowMaker" over here.

Footnote. Am aware that this was not the PIRAs sole source of arms as they got a shedload of them(plush cash) from amongst others the Libyans)

So how did they control the IRA problem? Just shut off the financing spigot from American sympathizers?
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #121 on: February 26, 2018, 06:21:48 pm »
Just to be clear, this near equivalency of a 9mm handgun with a 17 round magazine and a couple of extra magazines to a semi-automatic rifle with a 50 round magazine can be achieved by a 19 y.o. punk with an addled mind and probably shitting his pants during the mayhem? We are not talking about a Navy SEAL here, right?

Pull the trigger = bang. 50 times to fire 50 rounds, does it matter if it the 9mm with 3 magazines or the 50 round magazine in the other gun? One will not fire any faster than the other.
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #122 on: February 26, 2018, 06:45:01 pm »
Just to be clear, this near equivalency of a 9mm handgun with a 17 round magazine and a couple of extra magazines to a semi-automatic rifle with a 50 round magazine can be achieved by a 19 y.o. punk with an addled mind and probably shitting his pants during the mayhem?

Well, I can't speak to the actual 19 year old psycho's ability, but they are both semi-automatic, will both fire at the same rate, and used with indoor distances, a 9mm with defense ammo is more than sufficient to create similar devastation.  It is also lighter, and much easier to conceal than a rifle.

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We are not talking about a Navy SEAL here, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJhXpukUV_Y  ( 0.51 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boc7SNTFz04  (a little more realistic)

It isn't difficult to change a mag: push the button and it falls out, slap in the new one, and pull/release the slide to chamber the next round.  Of course, the more practice the better, but after a few dozen times, I am guessing most people could manage 2 to 3 seconds, no problem.   Of course, having a larger mag capacity is better, but it is not a huge factor.

Oh, here is a 32 round mag for an M&P 9mm handgun, only $25:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/promag-smith-and-wesson-m-and-p-9-magazine-9mm-luger-32-rounds-zytel-floorplate-blued-steel-smi-a14-708279011641.do  (crazy long)
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #123 on: February 26, 2018, 06:45:29 pm »
So how did they control the IRA problem? Just shut off the financing spigot from American sympathizers?

Switched to 401Ks.
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #124 on: February 26, 2018, 07:55:30 pm »
For whatever it is worth, you folks do know you are being trolled with '50, 60' round magazines, right?

 ;) ::)

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Pull the trigger = bang. 50 times to fire 50 rounds, does it matter if it the 9mm with 3 magazines or the 50 round magazine in the other gun? One will not fire any faster than the other.
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #125 on: February 26, 2018, 09:58:11 pm »
For whatever it is worth, you folks do know you are being trolled with '50, 60' round magazines, right?

 ;) ::)

The AR-15 is issued with a 5, 10, 15, 20, or 30 round magazine.  To my knowledge, 30 is the largest legally sold or can be posessed magazine ANYWHERE in the USA.  If you live in the ridiculous states of CA, NY, MD, MA, and CT a few others, it is 10.  NJ and CO, it is 15.

So, yeah, 'sup with this "50-60 round magazine" stuff, Sanmo??
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #126 on: February 26, 2018, 10:27:43 pm »
Wanders off with his Bren LMG ;)

For whatever it is worth, you folks do know you are being trolled with '50, 60' round magazines, right?

 ;) ::)

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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #127 on: February 26, 2018, 10:40:45 pm »
The AR-15 is issued with a 5, 10, 15, 20, or 30 round magazine.  To my knowledge, 30 is the largest legally sold or can be posessed magazine ANYWHERE in the USA.  If you live in the ridiculous states of CA, NY, MD, MA, and CT a few others, it is 10.  NJ and CO, it is 15.

So, yeah, 'sup with this "50-60 round magazine" stuff, Sanmo??

That was enlightening.

you're both sort of right from what I can see reading/researching various links

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=maximum+magazine+capacity+usa&oq=maximum+magazine+capacity+usa&aqs=chrome..69i57.11146j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It appears (this is my summary )  that there was a Federal Law banning high capacity magazines , generally taken as 10+ (unless you already owned them before the ban came in in which case it was still legal to own) however that Act had a sunset clause and wasn't renewed.

Some states then passed their own laws however it looks like certainly CA as of late 2017 had their ban blocked by a Federal Judge.
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #128 on: February 26, 2018, 10:42:08 pm »
So how did they control the IRA problem? Just shut off the financing spigot from American sympathizers?

I refer my esteemed friend to  the footnote of my original quoted post


" Am aware that this was not the PIRAs sole source of arms"
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #129 on: February 27, 2018, 04:09:26 am »
maybe he was thinking of one of these...
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #130 on: February 27, 2018, 04:34:50 am »
So how did they control the IRA problem? Just shut off the financing spigot from American sympathizers?

I don't know if that had anything to with it or not but from what I've read, they (IRA) lost the will to fight.
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #131 on: February 27, 2018, 04:50:10 am »
I don't know if that had anything to with it or not but from what I've read, they (IRA) lost the will to fight.

It could be read that way although the whole Northern Ireland Peace Process was fairly complex although the final nail was a joint ultimatum from both the UK & ROI goverments

You also have to remember there was more than one variation of the IRA (and also the Unionists were in many cases just as bad)
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #132 on: February 27, 2018, 05:57:14 am »
The AR-15 is issued with a 5, 10, 15, 20, or 30 round magazine.  To my knowledge, 30 is the largest legally sold or can be posessed magazine ANYWHERE in the USA.  If you live in the ridiculous states of CA, NY, MD, MA, and CT a few others, it is 10.  NJ and CO, it is 15.

So, yeah, 'sup with this "50-60 round magazine" stuff, Sanmo??

Regret the Rambo Theatre production of "AR-15 w/high cap magazines vs. 9mm handgun w/17 or 32 rounds" was rudely interrupted by our (racist?) friend. I will try to locate the report which indicated the use 0f 50, 60 and 100 round magaznies for the AR-15.
In the meantime, unless this website is a spoof: https://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-60rd-magazine-223-5-56-prod42026.aspx
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #133 on: February 27, 2018, 06:02:16 am »
I refer my esteemed friend to  the footnote of my original quoted post


" Am aware that this was not the PIRAs sole source of arms"

Your esteemed friend was just being lazy and looking for the cliff's notes on how the IRA problem was resolved. :)
From your post, I gather the American financing was important but not critical for sustaining the insurgency.
More reading assignments for your esteemed friend. sigh.................
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Re: 14 Feb 2018 FL school shooting
« Reply #134 on: February 27, 2018, 06:34:30 am »
sanmo...which of the following statements do you find most applicable..

A stranger is an enemy until proven to b a friend.

A stranger is a friend until proven to be an enemy.
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