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This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« on: March 15, 2018, 04:26:52 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-undocumented-immigrant-appointed-state-122408144.html

I honestly have no idea what in the hell is going on in some parts of my country. An illegal alien has been appointed to a state post? ?? ?? ?? Of course it is in California, which is not a 'real' state but still, do we have absolutely NO standards? What is next, some Manson family members working in the CA A.G.'s office?

We really should either force ALL of our states to meet some minimum behavioral and legal standards, such as NOT HIRING ILLEGAL ALIENS for gov't jobs, or re- visit the idea of states succeeding from the union and do it from the Union's point of view (rather than 'we want out', it could be 'get out').

This will probably end up in the arena where I will no longer see it but hey, I had to say something.....

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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2018, 04:42:22 pm »
Oh the irony ;)

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2018, 04:48:47 pm »
Oh the irony ;)

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That dog don't hunt no more.
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2018, 04:53:27 pm »
Also love the fact that via a "due" process known as prosecutorial discretion you can apply to legally stay illegal;)

Still on the bright side this particular individual isn't a criminal or convicted felon and is actively involved in the community, is contributing to the local economy and is presumably paying her taxes.

That said she can't legally own a gun though ;)
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2018, 05:01:57 pm »
You're wrong on this mikey. This particular individual is a criminal by the very act of being in this country ILLEGALLY.
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2018, 05:13:56 pm »
Yes, via the golden door. Not under the lead fence, in the middle of the night, breaking US laws with the very act of stepping onto US soil.

Nothing ironic about it Mike- my father- in- law was not born in the US but he came in through the proverbial front door, registered as a resident alien, then learned enough English and US law (which is not very much) and applied and passed the test for citizenship. He was a citizen of the US before I was, and I got my citizenship the easy way :-) 

You may try and twist it any way you wish but my post and this thread is not about immigrants, it is about ILLEGAL immigrants. Perhaps you do not have such silly notions in the U.K. and I could come there and live, work or just 'mooch' at my pleasure? I sincerely doubt it though.

I welcome ALL immigrants to the US using any / all of the available channels. I resist Illegal Immigrants in toto but I <especially> resist them VOTING, WORKING, holding any OFFICE, being EDUCATED in public schools and everything else reserved for those who follow the rules.

If you have a passport, take a look and see if it does not say "Subject". Mine says "Citizen", and being a proud member of 'We The People' and a citizen in good standing, I withhold that status for those who have walked in the proverbial front door, not slipped in through the bathroom window.... after hours.....

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Oh the irony ;)

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Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2018, 05:16:59 pm »
Your very post words are incorrect: note the word "illegal" in 'illegal alien'. This person is committing a crime, and is a criminal (currently) just by being here. There is no need to look further or into other facets of her existence: the first word says it all: illegal'. Holding office should not be an issue because she should be in some other country in the first place.

This is like bringing a stolen car in for warranty service. Sheesh!

Brian

Also love the fact that via a "due" process known as prosecutorial discretion you can apply to legally stay illegal;)

Still on the bright side this particular individual isn't a criminal or convicted felon and is actively involved in the community, is contributing to the local economy and is presumably paying her taxes.

That said she can't legally own a gun though ;)
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2018, 05:26:42 pm »
Still on the bright side this particular individual isn't a criminal or convicted felon and is actively involved in the community, is contributing to the local economy and is presumably paying her taxes.

Yeah, "presumably".  I find it unlikely that most illegal immigrants are paying State and Federal income taxes, property taxes, registration and other taxes.  Perhaps just sales and consumer taxes, which is not much.

An illegal immigrant is (by definition) a criminal.  He/she should not be appointed to anything, vote, be allowed to work, or get any Socialism benefits.  He/she should be booted out of the country.

A legal immigrant (often referred to as a "resident") should be able to work (except in most government jobs), must pay taxes, and will be allowed certain benefits.  But he/she is not a citizen, should not be appointed to or elected to anything government and should not be able to vote nor get a passport.

Seems simple and fair to me.
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2018, 05:31:44 pm »
Oh, by the way, I love how the "left" media calls them "undocumented immigrants" instead of the correct term, which is "illegal immigrants".  Isn't "undocumented" a wonderful new term they invented to make it sound so much better?  Like they belong here but just lost their paperwork or something... right.

"First Undocumented Immigrant Appointed to State Post in California"
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2018, 05:43:59 pm »
Calling an 'illegal alien' and 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a 'drug dealer' an 'unlicensed pharmacist'. [that would be chemist for our friends across the pond I believe] No matter the package or how pretty the bow, a box of dog---- is still dog---- when you come down to it. Call it lavender petals if you want, but I stepped in something like that once and had to scrape it off of my shoe. :-(

I really have not been a hard- case on this issue before but I have to say, the excesses in protecting / not ejecting / helping the illegal immigrants is pushing me more and more to the hard- line side of this issue.

Brian (second generation American from LEGAL immigrants)

Oh, by the way, I love how the "left" media calls them "undocumented immigrants" instead of the correct term, which is "illegal immigrants".  Isn't "undocumented" a wonderful new term they invented to make it sound so much better?  Like they belong here but just lost their paperwork or something... right.

"First Undocumented Immigrant Appointed to State Post in California"
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2018, 06:14:31 pm »
More like 'undocumented democrats'.
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2018, 06:59:22 pm »
Oh the irony ;)

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

For legal immigration, sure.

And they came, and almost all became citizens, were proud of it, and most all assimilated.  They learned English, they got jobs, they voted, cultures merged and spread, they were American.  It was good.  Not perfect (never was, never well be) but good.

The poem worked out quite well when people wanted to create a great nation.  When if you didn't work, you generally went hungry.  When if you didn't play well, you were punished.  When we didn't tax the hell out of those who do work to give the money to others who don't.  When we didn't live in an ever-expanding nanny state that destroys work ethic and rewards.  When we didn't pass mass amnesty MULTIPLE TIMES, each with a broken promise to never do it again and a broken promise to secure the borders so we don't went up in the same situation again.

There is a legal way to immigrate, and I (and suspect most people) still welcome immigrants who follow that path.  If we want to talk about or criticize the LEGAL path to immigration, that would be a great and interesting discussion.  But illegal immigration is a whole other issue.  The "left" loves to combine and confuse the two, as if they are the same thing.  They are not.
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2018, 09:37:33 pm »
Those who appointed her should be prosecuted, just like a company hiring an illegal immigrant.

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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2018, 11:35:34 pm »
There is no such thing as an "illegal immigrant". 

If you enter the country legally, then you are in immigrant.

If you enter the country illegally, then you are an INVADER, plain and simple.  Doesn't matter if you come crashing across the border in a tank or walk through the foothills in worn tennis shoes, you are still an INVADER.

This country in under a state of seige, and we don't recognize it because it is happenning so slowly.
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Re: This is a proverbial bridge too far......
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2018, 11:39:36 pm »
Oh we have plenty of immigrants both legal & illegal and even the latter can sponge off the welfare state ;)

We also have the concept of Discretionary Right To Stay (effectively your PD) where , as in this case, the person in question was originally brought in as a child by their parents/have been born here after their parents have entered illegally  although PD also can be applied for by any illegal immigrant which if granted effectively legalises their illegality

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=prosecutorial+discretion+usa&oq=prosecutorial+discretion+usa



Your very post words are incorrect: note the word "illegal" in 'illegal alien'. This person is committing a crime, and is a criminal (currently) just by being here. There is no need to look further or into other facets of her existence: the first word says it all: illegal'. Holding office should not be an issue because she should be in some other country in the first place.

This is like bringing a stolen car in for warranty service. Sheesh!

Brian


Yes, via the golden door. Not under the lead fence, in the middle of the night, breaking US laws with the very act of stepping onto US soil.

Nothing ironic about it Mike- my father- in- law was not born in the US but he came in through the proverbial front door, registered as a resident alien, then learned enough English and US law (which is not very much) and applied and passed the test for citizenship. He was a citizen of the US before I was, and I got my citizenship the easy way :-) 

You may try and twist it any way you wish but my post and this thread is not about immigrants, it is about ILLEGAL immigrants. Perhaps you do not have such silly notions in the U.K. and I could come there and live, work or just 'mooch' at my pleasure? I sincerely doubt it though.

I welcome ALL immigrants to the US using any / all of the available channels. I resist Illegal Immigrants in toto but I <especially> resist them VOTING, WORKING, holding any OFFICE, being EDUCATED in public schools and everything else reserved for those who follow the rules.

If you have a passport, take a look and see if it does not say "Subject". Mine says "Citizen", and being a proud member of 'We The People' and a citizen in good standing, I withhold that status for those who have walked in the proverbial front door, not slipped in through the bathroom window.... after hours.....

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