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Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« on: July 14, 2018, 03:21:50 pm »
I just read this through revzilla.  Interesting.  I didn’t see any mention of required speeds or conditions.  I suppose that is to be worked out later.  Personally, I always maintained the Department philosophy that if you’re shoulder passing, someone could pull out in front of you (in case of an overheat, flat tire, or any roadside emergency) and put you at risk.  Plus, oftentimes, there is a lot of debris on the shoulders.  (At least out on CA highways).

However, if the driving public knows that motorcycle shoulder passing is permitted in heavy, congested traffic, maybe they will double check before pulling out.  A smart rider can shoulder pass safely if he/she does it at a reasonable speed and pays attention.  I can see some riders taking far too much advantage of this and getting themselves in trouble.  Heck, they do it now in California (in certain areas).  Personally, I like the idea.

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2018, 04:37:37 pm »
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However, if the driving public knows that motorcycle shoulder passing is permitted in heavy, congested traffic, maybe they will double check before pulling out.

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2018, 05:48:54 pm »
Yeah, he had me for a minute too. :-)

Shoulder passing is merely a way to ensure which side of the truck runs you over IMO.  ;) ;D

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2018, 08:35:22 pm »
In Hawaii, where the maximum speed limit at most is 50 mph or so, I would think maybe not.
Especially since about the time Mr. Squid is passing on the shoulder he will encounter Mr/Mrs Tourist stopped to take a scenic selfie photo and rudely interrupt by way of collision.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2018, 08:57:27 pm »
I would love to see this everywhere, in cases where the weather is hot and traffic is going maybe half the posted speed limit or less.  Cagers don't understand just how incredibly hot it is crawling or stopped in summer daytime heat (wearing proper gear, of course).... at times, it can be intolerable and even dangerous (lethargy, dizziness, dehydration, heat stroke).

I would certainly use it on occasion, if conditions were right, and do so carefully.

I am not a fan of the concept of lane splitting or filtering, however.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2018, 06:07:13 am »
I would have to disagree with you on the lane splitting and filtering Max. I’m not talking high speed lane splitting or high speed deferential. Just moving thru slow moving or stopped traffic and filtering at stop lights. Allowing bikes to move to the front reduces backups for everyone. It is safer for us to insure we have cars stopped behind us to prevent being rear ended.

As for heat, try riding an air cooled bike in stop and go traffic on a 100 degree day! You will be wishing you could split lanes and filter!!!
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2018, 08:29:33 am »
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Yeah, wishful thinking on my part.::)  We have lane splitting out here, though, and most cagers are used to it.  Some even move over to give you more room.  If shoulder passing became the norm, maybe, just maybe, more would double check.  It is reality, though, there are always boneheaded idiots that are blessed with the world revolving around them and do whatever they want, whenever they want.  Not only that, but when someone DOES experience a roadside emergency, too many panic and dive to the shoulder.  That’s why it would always be incumbent on the rider to shoulder pass at a reasonable speed differential and not blast past stopped traffic at 50 mph.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 05:04:14 am »
... maybe they will double check before pulling out.

This is, of course, after they make the FIRST check.  Which everyone does.  Right?

Max mentioned how incredibly hot it can get.  Try out the Lincoln Tunnel in NYC in the Summer.  Tour Buses all around and all the engines blasting out diesel exhaust.  And, oh yeah, no one's going anywhere because traffic is jammed up all the way to Montauk...

I'm in favor of Motorcycle ONLY lanes with higher speed limits.  Call your Congressman/woman/person!
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2018, 08:24:34 am »
How ya gonna pay for building m/c only lanes?
Ijf existing lanes are used now congestion gets worse.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2018, 10:49:40 am »
They already have bicycle lanes. Who is paying for those? All they would need on most multi lane highways and interstates is some paint on the paved left shoulder for a motorcycle lane that is roughly the same size as a bicycle lane.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2018, 12:02:15 pm »
They already have bicycle lanes. Who is paying for those? All they would need on most multi lane highways and interstates is some paint on the paved left shoulder for a motorcycle lane that is roughly the same size as a bicycle lane.
And, per the article, the only time motorcyclists could use the shoulder would be during congested or stopped traffic.  Precise regulations tbd...
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 12:47:07 pm »
And, per the article, the only time motorcyclists could use the shoulder would be during congested or stopped traffic.  Precise regulations tbd...
My reply was in response to having motorcycle only lanes, not riding the shoulder in Hawaii.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2018, 02:55:17 pm »
My reply was in response to having motorcycle only lanes, not riding the shoulder in Hawaii.

I don't think anyone will cough up money for motorcycle-only lanes.  The best anyone could probably hope for is signage and such to allow slow shoulder use (probably right side) by motorcycles during stopped or very slow moving traffic.  And even that will be hazardous to motorcycles, mostly due to debris that gets pushed onto the shoulder.
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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2018, 03:32:14 pm »
I will admit to using the shoulder to get past a looooong line of cars backed up at a stop sign on a 4th of July weekend in MN.  It was very hot and the a/c on my bike wasn't working so what was I supposed to do?   ;D  I'll take my chances on the ticket in that situation.  Yes, you do need to be extra alert for someone pulling over, but with everyone stopped it isn't too likely. 

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Re: Hawaii votes to allow motorcycle shoulder passing
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2018, 03:36:33 pm »
My reply was in response to having motorcycle only lanes, not riding the shoulder in Hawaii.
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