Author Topic: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith  (Read 1768 times)

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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2018, 07:14:22 pm »
I used the TPX5 chip because that is what my programmer recommended. 

The way this works is, you put the passive chip in the EVO programmer and press read.  After a few seconds it tells you which chip it can clone it to.  It gave me a few choices and TPX5 was the first one suggested.

To be clear, in order to start the C14, you would have to hold the head of the key against the ignition antenna (just like the Kawasaki emergency fob).  Then press the stove knob so the C14 reads it.  When the C14 accepts the chip, turn the bike on as normal.

For my purposes, I did not do this to replace the stove knob/active fob system.  I actually LIKE the active fob!  When I go on a multi day ride my riding buddy and I swap spare keys JUST IN CASE something happens.

I also do not use the stove knob for anything other than the stove knob.  I have always carried a non-chip key in my pocket for operating the luggage and fuel tank.  (This may not be the way YOU like to do it, and anyone telling me they like to do it different is welcome to their opinion and not likely to change mine.)

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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2018, 06:21:34 am »
I also do not use the stove knob for anything other than the stove knob.  I have always carried a non-chip key in my pocket for operating the luggage and fuel tank.  (This may not be the way YOU like to do it, and anyone telling me they like to do it different is welcome to their opinion and not likely to change mine.)


I never take the stove knob out and I had a spare key made to operate everything else.  I'm just wondering why you went through all this to duplicate something that's already there.   The FOB has the RFID as well as the credit card.  I guess it could be a backup if you lose the FOB and the credit card, though.  My FOB never sees the light of day and is attached to a chain (in my pocket) that is looped into my belt so it can't be lost. 
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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2018, 07:16:26 am »

I never take the stove knob out and I had a spare key made to operate everything else.  I'm just wondering why you went through all this to duplicate something that's already there.   The FOB has the RFID as well as the credit card.  I guess it could be a backup if you lose the FOB and the credit card, though.  My FOB never sees the light of day and is attached to a chain (in my pocket) that is looped into my belt so it can't be lost.

Like you, I rarely ever remove the knob and use a non-RFID (plain) brass key to open everything.  Also like you, I carry the active FOB on my person without ever touching it (in my case, in my zipped jacket pocket).  All he is doing is the same thing we are doing- carrying a spare key that he can use to unlock stuff, but it is also a passive RFID key that could be used to start the bike, in the case the FOB is somehow lost (although not sure how that would happen if it were just left "attached" to the person.

I leave my passive fob at home, unless I am on a long trip, in which case I might put that in my bag as an emergency backup.  If the price were cheap, it would be convenient to have what acts and looks like a normal key that is also a passive fob- the downside is that such a key (like he had made) has a large/thick head.
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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2018, 07:18:46 am »
I love my standard, no fuss keys which can be duplicated for a few bucks.

Which is great for the bags and gas cap, but that is it.  No modern vehicle (that I know of, at least for cars) actually use non-RFID [plain-old] keys anymore for when it comes to starting the engine.
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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2018, 07:34:13 am »
To tell you how bad it is....went to a demo days at the Indian dealer some time back and got to ride a Scout.   Had to have someone tell me how to start it....they pointed to the key on the side.  All the other bikes are keyless.  All my vehicles are keyless.   Key, what's a key?
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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2018, 08:02:15 am »
When I go on a longer than 1 day ride, I have the active fob in my pocket. My riding buddy has the passive key in his pocket, and I have a backup in the safe at home.

Perhaps a bit paranoid, but I won’t get stranded. Besides, keys like this cost me nothing. A perk of the job.  8)

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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2018, 08:05:03 am »
Which is great for the bags and gas cap, but that is it.  No modern vehicle (that I know of, at least for cars) actually use non-RFID [plain-old] keys anymore for when it comes to starting the engine.

Actually, many fleet vehicles are sold without chip keys. They do make it into the consumer market, but your are correct.

Chip keys were brought into the automotive world as a way to reduce auto theft AND keep you coming back to the dealer for keys.


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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2018, 08:11:02 am »

I never take the stove knob out and I had a spare key made to operate everything else.  I'm just wondering why you went through all this to duplicate something that's already there.   The FOB has the RFID as well as the credit card.  I guess it could be a backup if you lose the FOB and the credit card, though.  My FOB never sees the light of day and is attached to a chain (in my pocket) that is looped into my belt so it can't be lost.

Well, the simple answer is, I was a Boy Scout. 8)

Reality is, I don’t have a problem with the key head being large. I have it on a ring with the remote fob for my house alarm.

I don’t pay for keys. A perk of my job. I’m the service manager for the largest locksmith company in the province. I’ve worked there 37 years. I don’t get too many arguments about what I do. We also have sister companies in the alarm and alarm monitoring and access control business. I’m pretty well hooked up for this stuff.

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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2018, 09:30:11 am »
Which is great for the bags and gas cap, but that is it.  No modern vehicle (that I know of, at least for cars) actually use non-RFID [plain-old] keys anymore for when it comes to starting the engine.

Doesn't mean it is necessarily a good thing, or that I like them. I hate FOBs. I especially hate the KIPASS system, but I love the bike, so I own it. I would prefer a key.  A small RFID chip on a key, not so bad, but a FOB, I hate.

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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2018, 02:54:29 pm »
The locksmith found a fob from his supplier but it's out of stock and more are on the way.
I will call back in a week to get further up dates. Apparently this fob design has multiple applications?
For some reason gmail keeps flagging these post as spam even though I tell it not to?

BTW; The passive key I had made does not have a large head at all...Compared to some I have seen...

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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2018, 03:41:03 pm »
Well, the simple answer is, I was a Boy Scout. 8)

Reality is, I don’t have a problem with the key head being large. I have it on a ring with the remote fob for my house alarm.

I don’t pay for keys. A perk of my job. I’m the service manager for the largest locksmith company in the province. I’ve worked there 37 years. I don’t get too many arguments about what I do. We also have sister companies in the alarm and alarm monitoring and access control business. I’m pretty well hooked up for this stuff.

I totally got what you were saying, and in my explanation for Jim, reiterated the scenario, I don't mind the size on the new chipped key either, and my statement about having 2, as one for the ignition, one to place against the "sensor bump" makes perfect sense.... to me at least... for an Instance of say, someone gooches your stove knob in a parking lot... you then have a 'spare key' for whatever...
my own choice, if I was going to have a spare "key" cut, would be to toss in a chip and clone it, as the cost for both is soo cheap, in reality... when I get my blanks and chips, I'll probably make 4 or 5, chipped cloned keylock keys... because it's like ...."why not?" in my thinking.

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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2018, 03:48:10 pm »
I hid my spare passive key on the bike and carry a spare 'flat' key in my wallet. Guess where I hid my spare passive thingy?

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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2018, 04:24:28 pm »
I hid my spare passive key on the bike and carry a spare 'flat' key in my wallet. Guess where I hid my spare passive thingy?


Hmmm.... one of the panniers!
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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2018, 05:01:48 pm »

Hmmm.... one of the panniers!
No but I guess you could put it there, hidden under the seat.

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Re: Concours 14 Passive FOB replacement from locksmith
« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2018, 05:24:26 pm »
I totally got what you were saying, and in my explanation for Jim, reiterated the scenario, I don't mind the size on the new chipped key either, and my statement about having 2, as one for the ignition, one to place against the "sensor bump" makes perfect sense.... to me at least... for an Instance of say, someone gooches your stove knob in a parking lot... you then have a 'spare key' for whatever...
my own choice, if I was going to have a spare "key" cut, would be to toss in a chip and clone it, as the cost for both is soo cheap, in reality... when I get my blanks and chips, I'll probably make 4 or 5, chipped cloned keylock keys... because it's like ...."why not?" in my thinking.

The chip key that I have has a small hole in it that you can press a wire into and eject the chip.  If I needed to I could eject the chip, hold it in place and start the bike with the key.

I also have a comment to those that continue to spout their hatred of the fob.  Like it or not, it is here to stay.  I can appreciate that you hate it.  I do not.  Your continued comments on how much you hate it is just so much more noise in a thread where in my opinion it is not appropriate. 

If you have nothing to say that won't add to the conversation, why bother?