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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2018, 05:40:36 pm »
This is the material that i used to made the bracket, the bolt that secure the bracket to the valve stem come with it and is perforated to let the air flow and you need a little bolt to secure the sensor to the bracket and mount the flat side of the sensor against the rim, there are different kind of  valve stem depending on the brand
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2018, 05:54:28 pm »
Here is how it look from outside
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2018, 06:04:33 pm »
Here are two different stem valve, the one at the left is the one i used and it is for BMW vehicles and the air flow though the center of that bolt , the one at the  right  is the schrader, same brand as the sensor and the air flow through two little holes as the one you see in the picture
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2018, 08:06:11 pm »
It does the same but with a different sensors brand, they work in the same frecuency, that is a good deal compared with this one
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It is the one I used to do mine,

these are the Autel sensors...

 more info from Autel....     "...if you buy a Autel MX Sensor in which you can use the TS401 or the TS501 to read the ID number from the TPMS Sensor you are replacing and program that ID number into the new Autel MX TPMS Sensor."

https://www.amazon.com/Autel-315MHz-Programmable-Pressure-Monitoring/dp/B075SBSV5Y/ref=pd_bxgy_263_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B075SBSV5Y&pd_rd_r=36e7cd62-f2ba-11e8-977c-95c218487850&pd_rd_w=bj4Mf&pd_rd_wg=yiWmN&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=6725dbd6-9917-451d-beba-16af7874e407&pf_rd_r=F6KPJVXHVYTAECVJ86TJ&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=F6KPJVXHVYTAECVJ86TJ
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2018, 02:25:24 pm »
Why did it need the angled mount? Did it protrude too far into the tire the way it came?
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2018, 03:01:51 pm »
Why did it need the angled mount? Did it protrude too far into the tire the way it came?
Yes it does and the centrifugal force that is what wake up the sensor will not be the same, the sensor is designed to be on a position in the wheel the way that it wake up when wheel spin ans as those sensor are designed for cars and no for motorcycles the purpose of the bracket is to mount  the sensor in the way that must be
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2018, 09:04:24 pm »
Thanks for researching this; I use those same sensors at work every day. We have a drawer full of them. This makes me wonder if there are right-angle valve stems that will work.


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https://www.chapmoto.com/bikemaster-45-degree-angled-valve-stem-310-03-33?gclid=CjwKCAiAlvnfBRA1EiwAVOEgfGn1O8wSeMj8ZDaD9xP5N2YMHVrfmecnIgERZ8eUX6Bey-woIwNyXhoClZ8QAvD_BwE
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2018, 09:37:04 pm »
This makes me wonder if there are right-angle valve stems that will work.

I was thinking the same thing.  The straight ones are such an incredible pain in the *ss sometimes.  I like the 45 degree one, seems like a perfect compromise between straight and 90 degrees.
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2018, 09:32:09 am »
Thanks for researching this; I use those same sensors at work every day. We have a drawer full of them. This makes me wonder if there are right-angle valve stems that will work.GP



edit : Such as


https://www.chapmoto.com/bikemaster-45-degree-angled-valve-stem-310-03-33?gclid=CjwKCAiAlvnfBRA1EiwAVOEgfGn1O8wSeMj8ZDaD9xP5N2YMHVrfmecnIgERZ8eUX6Bey-woIwNyXhoClZ8QAvD_BwE
Good, do not forget, as you will not find in the tool menu theoption, for Kawasaki motorcycles just find a brand and model of. Vehicle that the tool. be able to read the Kawasaki OEM sensor identification number and under same menu input that information to the generic sensor
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2018, 09:38:16 am »
With those angled valve stem is easy to mount the sensor using a bracket, just a little bit  of imagination
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2018, 11:06:28 am »
Any difficulties balancing the wheel?
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2018, 05:23:16 pm »
Any difficulties balancing the wheel?
Wayne
it does not make any difference
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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2018, 08:39:07 pm »
Good, do not forget, as you will not find in the tool menu the option, for Kawasaki motorcycles just find a brand and model of. Vehicle that the tool. be able to read the Kawasaki OEM sensor identification number and under same menu input that information to the generic sensor
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I decided to check this process out just for the heck of it.  My bike has 433MHz sensors so I bought an Autel 433 MX sensor plus their MaxiPad for reading/programming/cloning.  I also have KDS3 and a coupla spare early stock sensors into which I'd fitted new batteries.  Following gildagauz' comment in reply #18 I entered the Autel sensor's ID into the Kipass ECU after I'd found a vehicle which read the genuine Kaw sensor as detailed below and programmed the Autel sensor to suit the vehicle, 'tested' it using the Autel feature, did the' propeller thing' as outlined below and got no reading.

The Autel MaxiPad read the stock sensor ID ok - after I had gone thru about 50 'vehicles' on its data base to find one that would read it - so I copied and programmed the Kaw sensor into the new generic sensor.  Using the 'test' feature of the MaxiPad it showed that the new sensor did in fact have the same ID number as the Kaw sensor.

Using KDS I programmed that spare Kaw sensor into the bike's Kipass ECU, did the 'propeller thing' with the sensor on a piece of cord for 75 seconds until the bike's display showed the flat tyre warning and 0 psi. I turned the ignition off.  I then put the cloned Autel sensor on the cord, gave it a whirl for a couple of minutes and - nothing.  I turned the ignition off.  I then repeated the whirling with the Kaw sensor - flat tyre warning and 0 psi.  So I did it again with the cloned sensor for a bit longer without success.

All this after recently 'playing' with 2 new 433MHz LDL sensors from a TireWatch kit, which look identical to the early Kaw sensor. Surprisingly, neither of the new LDL replacement 'kit' sensors worked on my bike after the ID number was programmed into the KIPASS ECU with KDS.  I contacted the supplier of the TireWatch kit who contacted the factory in France as to why this is so, to be told that the 'baud rate' of Kaw sensors and the kit sensors is different even tho the frequency is the same and the 8 digit ID number is similar alpha-numeric.

Doing some Googling I found this interesting thread which seems to explain why non-OEM sensors will not work.

https://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/2-goldwing-technical-forum/468273-gl1800-tpms-possibility.html

So, after reading back thru this thread, my question to gildaguz is:  did you actually get the generic 315MHz sensor to function correctly in a C14?  I ask this in light of your reply #18 wherein you write: yes it come with a 6 digits ID that can be overwrite  and  for you that have that tool you can  write that number to the KIPAS ECU and it must work'      

I have a Schrader programmable sensor 'in the mail' to give it a try, as that's the brand you used.  Stay tuned in the New Year.

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Re: Generic TPMS sensor on my 09 C14
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2019, 03:44:03 am »
I received the Schrader a few days ago.  I found a 'vehicle' that would read the 315MHz sensor data using the Autel Maxi TPMS Pad but have been unable to read the 433MHz data as yet.  I've emailed Schrader about it but have had no response - as yet.  I think 'I'm wasting my sweetness on the desert air' to quote a poet I just can't recall right now.
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