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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2019, 09:32:58 am »
It took me about a year to get my C-14 comfy for me and my wife. What worked for me was:

A CalSci windshield with an MRA visor on top. The windshield is wider and taller (+6) than stock and overall, it is around 10" taller than stock including the visor. I sit fairly tall in the saddle and that is what it took to get the airstream over most of my helmet.

A Corbin saddle w/ Airhawk cushion on it (two actually, one for each of us). The Corbin provides a flat platform which is ideal for an Airhawk. This was after trying a bunch of saddles, including a custom Russell as well as various cushions.

Raising the bars 2". No change in angle.

Using Buell pegs. These lower the peg and foot position by about 1 1/4" or so with no loss of cornering clearance. Cheap too although you have to open the mounting hole slightly (Easy Boys!).

Baker hand wings. Greatly reduce the airstream flowing not only over the hands but also into the torso of the rider. Also, they can be turned to greatly increase the air driven into the rider- fantastic when it is hot out.

Cruise control- necessary for longer rides in my case.

It also depends on how much comfort / how long you will be riding. I needed to go over 10 hours straight and with the setup I can go 50+ hours continuously (no breaks for longer than 30 minutes, most stops less than 6 minutes for fuel only). If you just want to ride for, say, 4 to 6 hours per day, maybe just bar riders and a saddle cushion would work for you. I am a huge fan of Airhawk cushions but they do not work well on the stock seat IME; it is too dished and sloped forward and I ended up being driven into the fuel tank.

Unlike autos, fitting motorcycles to individuals is a time consuming and expensive task. And there is really very little you can do in the way of predicting just what will work- most things are great for 10 minutes in the parking lot but draining three fuel tanks in a row without getting off the bike will show the flaws right away. The other thing is that each change will affect how the other devices work; for example, putting a Corbin on a C-14, which is a very low saddle, will have the effect of raising both the windshield as well as the handlebars.

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Hi all ... my first time here as I am a first time Concours owner having just purchased a 2016 Moondust Grey Concours with about 8,000 kilometers on it. Pretty excited about this as I have been wanting one of these for quite a while.

Last week was my first real experience with the bike which resulted in about six hours of riding. While I love the power and smoothness of the Connie, comfort by the end of the day was a challenge. I hurt just about everywhere ... particularily my hands, wrists, back and rear end.  I confess it has been about two years since I rode that long in a day, but I have completed many 1,000 kilometer days in the past on my 1000 VStrom and my ZX1100 before that without much trouble. I also have to think getting older is working against me.

On the ride the things that struck me as needing attention where the noise, the weight on my hands, and the seat. I have been doing a lot of reading on this site and elsewhere, and frankly the number of choices to make adjustments is a bit overwhelming.

I am thinking I need to make a couple changes, see if they work, and adjust if required.

For the seat I am considering a AirHawk. Problem is the site does not specify whick model best fits a Connie.
Anyone else there done this that can offer advice?

For the windshield ... frankly the noise is the biggest issue as it is exteremely loud in any position.
And I expect if I my head and shoulders were more exposed to the wind, it would take a lot of the weight of my hands.
The CopperDawg looks very interesting, but the price is a bit much. But if it really works, maybe it's worth it. And I may not have to purchase the handbar risers.
And the Mastad setup also looks interesting ... it leaves me thinking a simple fix by changing the angle of the windshield could allevaite a lot of the noise, and possibly work well with a spoiler type of attachement at the top of the windshied. If this cut the noise, I could go for the handle bar risers and simply sit up straighter ... again taking pressure off my hands.

I am very interested in solutions/experiences some of you have had with the above ... particularily from those of you that are about the same size and age as I am (6'3", 240 and 64 years old).

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2019, 09:54:05 am »
....... throw out the black bazooka donkey dong and get a proper lightweight slip-on. Your bike and other bikers will thank you also.

Maybe some bikers will, most motorcyclists won't.
Never could understand why so many noisemakers want to be surrounded by other noisemakers. Is it a support group kinda thing?

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2019, 04:28:02 pm »
It's so everybody can show off their individuality together.  8)
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2019, 05:54:46 pm »
I realllllllly thank the divine powers of the universe, for delaying the internet for soo many years, and letting people buying, and riding motorcycles, to buy and decide, without asking everyone in the world, at the tap of the "send" button, what they think they should do to make their bike fell better..  or not even feel better, just what they wanna believe "may feel better"...

man,
do you think back in 1800's, cowboys had these type of conversations...in saloons..
really?

I can think of a 3 letter word, that I yell at harley riders,  ... coming to mind just before someone in a saloon was gonna pop ya in the jaw, or worse yet.. draw a .45 on ya..

lets just go watch some Clint Eastwood movies, and call it a day.

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2019, 06:47:02 pm »
man,
do you think back in 1800's, cowboys had these type of conversations...in saloons..
really?

For sure. Horses, which breed, who's stud has the best colts, how tall should one be, stud mare or gelding. "I have got to get me a new saddle! This one makes my butt hurt after an hour in it!"  "Damned horse eats a ton! He's gettin fat!"  :stirpot: :rotflmao:   

Just "horsin'" around with ya', MoB.    :chugbeer: :rotflmao:

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2019, 07:22:27 pm »
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2019, 09:16:53 pm »
Maybe some bikers will, most motorcyclists won't.
Never could understand why so many noisemakers want to be surrounded by other noisemakers. Is it a support group kinda thing?

I probably would have left well enough alone and stuck with the stock pipe if:
1). It was a foot shorter and not shaped like some freakin' weird appendage.
2).The V&H sounds much better than a Hog at five grand IMO, and also scares deer and small children out of the way. 'Nuff said, Fred.

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2019, 09:56:37 pm »
Is it a support group kinda thing?

Echo chamber?  :stirpot:
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2019, 07:44:40 am »

I can think of a 3 letter word, that I yell at harley riders,


Just because they ride Harley's, Rich?  Or for some other reason?


It's very rare someone leaves their bike totally stock.  I know with my C14 comfort, I went with a Russell Seat, taller wider screen, Heli-bars, heat modifications and I still had pain riding it.  With the Indian, the only things for comfort I added were extended reach bars and tear drop foot rests on the crash bars and I don't hurt anymore.


As far as sound goes, I always had issues with wind noise unless the screen was totally up and yes, I'm one of those that went with an Area P exhaust because of the sound and weight savings.  I have a factory modified exhaust on my Indian that is loud but not obnoxiously so.  And yes, all of us riding Indians even with the stock exhaust, are a bit on the loud side, but I've found that with the Indian and it's loud exhaust, I don't seem to need ear plugs like I did on the C14 and it's wind noise.  I've started wearing a 3/4 helmet that even with the screen down, I just don't have the noise affecting me like the C14 did.  And by the way, the electrically operated stock screen on my Roadmaster is perfect for me unlike the stocker on the 08 C14.  I can't tell you how many screens I went through on that bike.


I also think, before we start painting with the broad strokes, stereo types of riders of other brands,  you may want to start walking in their shoes to see what it's really about, like I did.  I find them just as friendly as the sport touring group of people if not friendlier.  The Indian groups and HOG groups across the country support many many charities and organizations.  We're not the 1%ers.
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2019, 09:14:19 am »
In one of the many threads from the past, I think there was dyno showing stock exhaust+ tune vs
slip on exhaust + tune.
The slip on added an extra 4hp.

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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2019, 10:11:33 am »
In one of the many threads from the past, I think there was dyno showing stock exhaust+ tune vs
slip on exhaust + tune.  The slip on added an extra 4hp.

There have been various claims, and some actual data, probably averaging in the 2-3hp range.  BUT that is only at WOT and at a flow rate that matters, which is probably at least 6K RPM (if not much higher).  So muffler replacement is a big "meh". (I like that word, something a millennial taught me...).  The stock exhaust system (which includes the muffler) was [well] designed together as a unit.  The muffler is not limiting the flow, nor is the midpipe.  It is the whole system- including the headers.  This isn't the 70's/80's/90's anymore :)

To get any meaningful performance difference would require replacing the entire exhaust system (which some people do, but be prepared to spend a lot of money) and tuning the FI to match.
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2019, 08:23:14 am »
My first sport tour bike was my ‘91katana1100. After a long ride ( 8 hours) my hands hurt a lot . I replaced the hand grips with gel grips, would ride with finger less gel gloves , with regular gel infused gloves over them. After a ride, I’d still be doing double dose of Celebrex .
In fact, my body hurt so much that I got the Connie in hopes it’d be better or else I’d just stop long trips altogether .
As stated before, it was all perfect . But now, I can say it is as good as any bike can be.its worth mentioning that you should have good gear . I have some riding boots with foam inserts and they feel
much better than tennis shoes. My heavy, ugly as hell cordura riding outfit is uncomfortable when walking around but when I’m planted on the bike, feels pretty good.
My shock settings gave great handling but felt a little too firm . When I replaced the worn out Seargent seat with a new kawa touring seat , it felt perfect- the seat had more Cush to filter out the road before it reach my rear.
My latest comfort mod is two pairs of bamboo pajama bottoms. I’ll wear them under the cordura pants
and they do great at being a comfort layer when going through Texas this July.
I looked at other bikes this year and there is nothing that can replace it. With my Shad 50 trunk, not even a new gold wing can match its cargo capacity. The fjr has that electronic suspension but I’m not crazy about that tech, much happier with can of whumpass that my flashed bike has.
Don’t forget that any discomfort you have on trip might more likely due to staying in the same position than the bike itself. With that in mind, looking for the perfect bike might be futile.
I feel much better going on a long ride than sitting coach class middle seat for 14 hours.
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2019, 03:15:50 pm »
Don’t forget that any discomfort you have on trip might more likely due to staying in the same position than the bike itself.

+1

I have a terrible issue with being confined to the same position.  On the bike, in a car, on a plane.... anywhere.  I don't take many long trips, but in any case, I try to stop every hour, get off, and move around and stretch a lot and it helps tremendously.
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Re: 2016 C14 ... Comfort, or lack thereof
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2019, 04:59:33 am »
Two Alleve's helped me.
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