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Offline Ebock15

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Concours 1400 engine
« on: June 14, 2019, 03:14:09 pm »
Hello. Is there anyway to convert my concours 1400 engine to chain drive?

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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2019, 03:17:26 pm »
Hello. Is there anyway to convert my concours 1400 engine to chain drive?

Why in the world would anyone want to do that?  The shaft drive is one of the major features of the Concours and a signature feature of a sport-touring motorcycle.  It is safer, more reliable, and requires much less maintenance and upkeep.

That aside, as far as I am aware, the answer is no.
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2019, 03:34:14 pm »
Wrecked bike. Wanted to do a custom buggy. Just figured the cases are the same as zx14. Just thought maybe would be pretty simple task

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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2019, 03:40:14 pm »
Wrecked bike. Wanted to do a custom buggy.

Oh, I guess that at least makes some sense, then :)  Frankenbike!

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Just figured the cases are the same as zx14. Just thought maybe would be pretty simple task

There is a lot shared between the ZX14 and the Concours14, but there are a lot of differences, too.  I think you will find trying to convert the Concours to chain drive would be exceptionally difficult.  Even the wheelbase is significantly longer on the Concours (as you would expect in a sport tourer).
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2019, 05:54:06 pm »
The second pic in post 22 shows the drive that comes out of the trans (right).  No way to extend the shaft and add a sprocket.

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/unknown-whine-on-decel-maybe-clutchtranny-maybe-worse/
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2019, 07:49:34 pm »
Dang Ok appreciate the replies.

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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2019, 09:16:47 pm »
Anything can be done if you want to bad enough. It may not be easy, but it can be done. Check out the thread below. Granted, it is not a concours, but it is a shaft drive bike that was converted over to a belt drive. He overcame a lot of the same challenges you will have. Even if you don’t like the M109R, it is an interesting project.

https://www.m109riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308618
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2019, 10:17:31 pm »
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2019, 06:57:45 am »
Ok will take a look. And i didnt buy this bike wrecked. I have had the bike for awhile. And my buddy borrowed it and some dumb non paying attention driver well you know. Anyways it was paid for so I just kept the bike from insurance. And decided maybe build a buggy. And was just thinking about the conversion

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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2019, 07:04:55 am »
Appreciate that m109 article. Man that is sweet and unique. I was just going to spend 3k or so on a zx14 engine kit. But the concours 14 has better torque at much lower rpm.

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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2019, 08:11:43 am »
But the concours 14 has better torque at much lower rpm.

Indeed it does.  But there are still those who are in denial about it in some delusion it is "de-tuned" and "inferior" to the ZX-14.  It is why Kawasaki added variable valve timing in the Concours and tuned that way, exactly filling the role of a sport-tourer.

Anyway, good luck on your project if you decide to go forward with it.  Otherwise, you can probably make some good $ by tearing it down and selling off the good parts on Ebay.
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2019, 02:29:43 pm »
Why not use the shaft drive for your buggy project?
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2019, 03:36:39 pm »
I already have a jackshaft. Then was going to run the chain to the independent rear suspension. Which had a big sprocket in the center.

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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2019, 06:34:20 am »
Indeed it does.  But there are still those who are in denial about it in some delusion it is "de-tuned" and "inferior" to the ZX-14.  It is why Kawasaki added variable valve timing in the Concours and tuned that way, exactly filling the role of a sport-tourer.

Anyway, good luck on your project if you decide to go forward with it.  Otherwise, you can probably make some good $ by tearing it down and selling off the good parts on Ebay.


OMG, you said 'de-tuned'... :popcorn:
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2019, 09:48:57 am »
OMG, you said 'de-tuned'... :popcorn:

I did, right after saying it is a delusion...
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