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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2019, 03:22:39 am »
Chances are that the Sprocket drive module from a ZX14 (not the later ZX14R) would fit as that is the same basic motor as the C14.
However, if Kawi used a different output shaft in the gearbox, then all bets are off.
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2019, 07:02:17 am »
Indeed it does.  But there are still those who are in denial about it in some delusion it is "de-tuned" and "inferior" to the ZX-14.  It is why Kawasaki added variable valve timing in the Concours and tuned that way, exactly filling the role of a sport-toure
Dude, I've owned both for 10 years. The Connie is down on power, everywhere throughout the RPM range, compared to the ZX14.  The last thing that bike needs is more low end grunt. Have you ever noticed what a turd the Connie is in 6th gear? Not the ZX14. It'll yank your arms off in 6th.
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2019, 08:57:07 am »
Dude, I've owned both for 10 years. The Connie is down on power, everywhere throughout the RPM range, compared to the ZX14.  The last thing that bike needs is more low end grunt. Have you ever noticed what a turd the Connie is in 6th gear? Not the ZX14. It'll yank your arms off in 6th.
Funny you mention the 6th gear turd.  I was riding with my buddy who owns a BMW RT1200 and we were both in 6th.  He had his cruise set and raises his throttle hand up off the bar, looks at me and slowly puts it back down and twists the throttle.  I instinctively twisted mine.  It was embarrassing how easily that bike just kept walking away from me.  Of course, if I had downshifted a couple of gears first, that would’ve been a whole different story...
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2019, 10:39:17 am »
Dude, I've owned both for 10 years. The Connie is down on power, everywhere throughout the RPM range, compared to the ZX14.  The last thing that bike needs is more low end grunt. Have you ever noticed what a turd the Connie is in 6th gear? Not the ZX14. It'll yank your arms off in 6th.

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Hard to argue with a guy who has both.

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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2019, 02:48:11 pm »
Dude, I've owned both for 10 years. The Connie is down on power, everywhere throughout the RPM range, compared to the ZX14. 

Sorry, you can believe that all you want, it is not true.  I already posted the chart a year ago clearly showing the C14 with considerable more low end torque than the ZX14, especially when a reflash corrects the mapping (which is not needed on the ZX14).  At 3Krpm AND 4KRPM, a reflashed Concours makes 40 more ftlbs than a reflashed ZX14 and it still way above that rpm, too.  That is very significant.

So it is not down everywhere, it is down in mid/high RPM range BECAUSE it was shifted to have more lower-end power.

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Have you ever noticed what a turd the Connie is in 6th gear? Not the ZX14. It'll yank your arms off in 6th.

The gear ratio is considerably higher in 6th gear on the Concours.... exactly as expected.  The final gearing is different too.  You can't compare the two by gear.  In 6th, the Concours is already going about 65MPH at only 3KRPM.  Plus the Concours weighs 75 pounds more (unloaded) due to all the additional features.
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2019, 02:51:44 pm »
:rotflmao: :goodpost:

Hard to argue with a guy who has both.

It is VERY easy to argue when you are comparing different gear ratios.  6th gear speed on the Concours is closer to 5th gear on the ZX14.
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2019, 03:49:27 pm »
6th gear speed on the Concours is closer to 5th gear on the ZX14.

For those interested, I am attaching a gear ratio to speed comparison.
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2019, 08:09:21 pm »
Have you ridden a ZX-14, Max?  I haven't but I would like to, same with a V-Max (pun intended... :rotflmao: )
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2019, 09:14:33 pm »
Have you ridden a ZX-14, Max?

Not possible, unless the owner lowered it and also raised bars.  In any case, numbers are more objective :)
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2019, 10:38:15 pm »
[...]In any case, numbers are more objective :)

:)  (Flashing does little to the ZX14, although higher flow mufflers do a lot, but only at high RPM)
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2019, 11:02:01 am »
I dont know about all this but I would check the valve cletamce while it is out 😁
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Re: Concours 1400 engine
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2019, 03:40:13 pm »
As a point of reference the C10 engine can easily be converted to chain drive by replacing the transmission from a chain drive bike. The ZRX1200 can also be converted from chain to shaft in the same manner. I've done both. The C10 was converted using a five speed ZRX1200 transmission which basically drops in. The ZRX1200 conversion to shaft involved dropping a C10 six speed transmission (with a few minor modifications) into the ZRX cases.

The C14/ZX14 may have the same similarities, not sure.

Dan