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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2019, 03:50:40 pm »
In a 2017?  That is not good news.

Mine has been doing that on the front for a month or more, but it always came back after a long while.  Last weekend was the first I have seen it never come back, and across several starts.  Need more data before I am sure it is really dead or stuck off.

Yep. 2017. It was right at a year old when I started getting the low battery warning on both sensors. Bought the bike new in December 2017. I waited until the weather warmed up to make sure it wasn’t temperature related. Stopped by Ultimate Cycle and they replaced them both under warranty. Next time I’m going to time it better since they told me they would mount new tires at the same time for no labor charge. Wasn’t quite due for tires at that time.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2019, 07:05:35 am »
My 2010 has the sensors removed completely and replaced with rubber valve stems. I can scroll to a tire pressure screen with no info. My battery power has been reset more than once since sensor removal.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2019, 09:28:39 am »
if you decide to let die the TPMS without replacement, assuming you no longer have warranty, the sensors can be disabled through a software removal.

Once they die, you stop getting the warning. My front is dead, and I no longer get any warning. It is heaven on two wheels.

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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2019, 09:55:30 am »
Jimmy, now you are fully updated like the Ninja H2 SX and the ZX-14R  8) ;D ... that is my plan when /if Kawasaki does not cover them under my actual 2nd warranty extension.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2019, 09:58:21 am »
Once they die, you stop getting the warning. My front is dead, and I no longer get any warning. It is heaven on two wheels.
my problem is the annoying warning.... I just hope they will quit without the flashing screen warning.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2019, 11:05:16 am »
Jimmy, now you are fully updated like the Ninja H2 SX and the ZX-14R  8) ;D

Ha- "updated"!

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... that is my plan when /if Kawasaki does not cover them under my actual 2nd warranty extension.

Oh, it will be covered.  Mine were.  If the dealer says otherwise, you have full recourse.  AND it is a great time to get tire mounting free.

my problem is the annoying warning.... I just hope they will quit without the flashing screen warning.

Unless they just go completely dead/defective and suddenly, you will have to put up with months of annoyance.  Been there, done that.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2019, 04:36:03 pm »

Unless they just go completely dead/defective and suddenly, you will have to put up with months of annoyance.  Been there, done that.

I went through well over a year of low battery warning. Seriously annoying. So happy it finally died.

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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2019, 06:21:46 pm »
It's a lot quicker and almost as easy just to fix it and ride safer.   :chugbeer:
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2019, 07:57:25 am »
Updated indeed. If I have to rely on my dash to ride safe, crash me now. ;D
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2019, 10:35:16 am »
It's a lot quicker and almost as easy just to fix it and ride safer.   :chugbeer:

Fix what? Replace the sensor? I have never had a tire pressure sensor on any vehicle, give me any warning except a warning saying the sensor is bad. I have had tire issues during the years I have had vehicles with sensors, but I have always caught them before the sensor did. Know sensors can be good, but I also know I don't need them. They have cost me more over the years than they have benefited me.

Now, had Kawasaki not designed the warning so badly, I probably would have had it replaced, under warranty. After the warranty, no, the cost does not justify its benefit for me.

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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2019, 12:20:02 pm »
Fix what? Replace the sensor? I have never had a tire pressure sensor on any vehicle, give me any warning except a warning saying the sensor is bad. I have had tire issues during the years I have had vehicles with sensors, but I have always caught them before the sensor did. Know sensors can be good, but I also know I don't need them. They have cost me more over the years than they have benefited me.

Now, had Kawasaki not designed the warning so badly, I probably would have had it replaced, under warranty. After the warranty, no, the cost does not justify its benefit for me.

Early last summer, I was on my way home. Maybe 3-4 miles away from the house. I noticed something didn’t feel right with the bike, and looked down at the dash at the TPS reading. It hadn’t started warning me yet, but I was definitely loosing air pressure in my rear tire. I was able to keep riding the rest of the way home, but the warning for low tire pressure came on just as I was pulling into my drive way. The tire was for all practical purposes, completely flat by the time I got it parked in the garage, got off, and got my gear off. I had picked up a nail and it was loosing air pretty fast considering the nail was still in the tire.

Long story short, I agree with you that you can feel when there is a tire pressure issue before the dash warning comes on, but had I stopped to check it out along side the road, I never would have made it home before it went flat. With TPS, I was able to watch the air pressure dropping and could gauge when/ if I needed to pull off and stop. For this reason, I like having it.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2019, 02:50:14 pm »
Long story short, I agree with you that you can feel when there is a tire pressure issue before the dash warning comes on, but had I stopped to check it out along side the road, I never would have made it home before it went flat. With TPS, I was able to watch the air pressure dropping and could gauge when/ if I needed to pull off and stop. For this reason, I like having it.

The active low-pressure warning is, indeed, useful.  The whole TPS system is useful.  Knowing there is an issue ahead of time or real-time is valuable.  Easily knowing tire pressures so you can keep them correct also extends tire life tremendously and improves fuel mileage and safety.

What isn't useful is a low battery warning taking over the screen forever, until you press a special "cadence" which is very difficult (and dangerous to do while driving) and then results in a super-bright red light for the entire trip.  Same thing with the fuel warning.

It makes me want to hit a Kawasaki engineer.  What SHOULD happen is a warning that takes over the screen and you press and hold the handle button for 5 seconds to clear it.  Plus it should have had an ambient light sensor to dim the dash indicator (non-dial) lights at night.  The high-beam light is so bright, I had to put a 75% tinted sticker over it so I am not blinded at night when I use them.  That red light is too bright at night, also.

So, back to TPS.  The question that people are asking, which is valid: is Kawasaki's implementation of the TPS system worth the price of sensors, the difficultly with their installation, the inability to check tires until having considerable distance from home, the annoyance with the inevitable low battery warnings, and the way the warnings work?

I know if the batteries had been external (so larger and more easily replaceable or even rechargeable), most everyone would be happy.  Maintenance would be cheap and easy, and warnings would be short and rare.  But, alas, here we are...

Someone could make some good money designing replacement, rechargeable, external sensors that are compatible with the bike's ECU.  Add a buttons on them to manually wake them up when wanted (in addition to auto-wake), and an integrated right-angle chuck so they don't have to be removed to fill air, and I know I would buy them immediately :)  THAT would be a good design.

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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2019, 06:58:17 pm »
Updated indeed. If I have to rely on my dash to ride safe, crash me now. ;D

 :rotflmao:  Good for you jimmy.  I like em but we don't need em.   :chugbeer:

Following on from maxtog, the issue I have with them is that the Low Battery warning will flash even when the battery is still slightly above 3v, which is lower that a new battery for sure but not below 3v.   :banghead:  The threshold should be something lower than 3v.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2019, 08:41:39 pm »
Yep, front continues to be intermittent.  Left home and it worked, couple of miles later, nothing.  Then several miles later, it was back and stayed back.  Left destination and it didn't work, couple of miles later it was working, then halfway home it cut out and stayed off.  Each time this happens where it ends up dead at my destination, I take a photo of it with ODO before shutting off the bike.  Very odd.
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Re: TPS "----", not battery
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2019, 01:38:19 am »
......... I take a photo of it with ODO before shutting off the bike.  Very odd.

Yes very odd behaviour.   ;D
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