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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2019, 02:29:00 pm »
Absolutely agreed regarding the Constitution. It has been used for a doormat in the past but the events of 9/11 turned it into 'bathroom tissue'. The death of Antonin Scalia helped fuel that fire also- sometimes I think he was in the minority of those who have even read that document. <sigh>

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Indeed.  That is the further tragedy.  The trampling of the Constitution and the rise of "security theater."

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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2019, 06:50:29 am »
Can anyone else remember/post where they were/what they were doing at that moment/on that day?
When I talk to others, it's interesting to me that so many recall that moment so vividly.

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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2019, 09:14:17 am »
It seems pretty common with a really big, unexpected and emotional events. It is said that the same thing happened when Abraham Lincoln was shot- people remembered the moment(s) when they found out about that for the rest of their lives. Same thing with J.F.K. back in '63. These are pretty much once in a lifetime events that seem to be particularly intense because they were not expected or even thought of as a possibility. I am sure others will chime in but my guess and experience is that everyone I have spoken with about this remembers that morning with great clarity.

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Can anyone else remember/post where they were/what they were doing at that moment/on that day?
When I talk to others, it's interesting to me that so many recall that moment so vividly.

Ride safe, Ted
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2019, 09:15:19 am »
I was with my wife at a surgery center in Modesto, CA.  She was getting painful injections in her neck as a result of a recent vehicle collision.  I was in the waiting room when the first tower was hit, but was unaware.  On the ride home, my wife said that some of the nurses were talking about an airplane that had hit one of the towers.  I figured it was a small plane and had no idea of the scope the attack.  We arrived home and I turned on the T.V. to see only one tower standing.  About one minute later, it came down.  We just sat in front of the T.V. in astonishment and disbelief the whole day. 
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2019, 03:09:21 pm »
It seems pretty common with a really big, unexpected and emotional events. It is said that the same thing happened when Abraham Lincoln was shot- people remembered the moment(s) when they found out about that for the rest of their lives. Same thing with J.F.K. back in '63.

Or when Regan was shot, or the space shuttle exploded.  Highly emotional and/or traumatic events tend to strengthen the memory pathways of the brain.  It is a natural survival trait, and one shared by other animals, too.
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2019, 02:02:39 pm »
For me, those are perfect examples..... I do not remember the fine details around either event. The actual events, certainly but not the entire time frame around them. And I was both alive and adult for both of them :-) But I do remember extraordinarily small details and the entire time frame around the events of 9/11- maybe about one- half of that day, starting when I was told that it had happened.

Not saying you are wrong or even disagreeing with you here, just saying that that particular day, 9/11, is etched into my memory along with a number of hours surrounding it with amazing detail and in correct chronological form rather than snippets or individual images. I remember the two events you mention in more like 3 second 'clips' and not in chronological order really.

I think the reason for this is that those particular events (9/11) were outside the perceived area of possibility while the other events were not. Extremely dramatic, sure but not beyond what could be imagined (Reagan being shot and the Challenger explosion). On the other hand, it was inconceivable to me that <anything> short of a large nuclear weapon could actually knock down one of those buildings. In fact, I still believe they are, or would be, immune from actually being driven down by any outward force; they of course actually collapsed due to several floors suddenly giving way and causing 'pancaking' of the upper portions of each building.

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Or when Regan was shot, or the space shuttle exploded.  Highly emotional and/or traumatic events tend to strengthen the memory pathways of the brain.  It is a natural survival trait, and one shared by other animals, too.
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2019, 12:33:25 pm »
And now the NYPD wants the investigation into what brought the towers down reopened because the official story and their investigation results don't add up.
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2019, 04:24:07 pm »
I had just walked in to a client site after a 45 minute ride during which I had no link to 'real life' and news.

As soon as I walked in, one of the ladies I worked with was very upset and asked me if I heard what had happened.  I had not.

I saw the replay of the plane hitting the first building.  I called home and told my wife to turn on the TV.  She asked why and all I could say was 'just turn on the TV'.  I couldn't put into words what I had just witnessed.

Then the entire office watched as the 2nd plane hit and both buildings collapsed.  Very surreal.

My wife and I had just returned to MI that Sunday from flying back with friends in a private plane after a weekend trip out west.

Had we been a couple days later we would have been grounded and had to find another way home.

I am not in planes that much, but having just spent that prior weekend in a plane with 2 pilots, I was keenly aware of the eerie silence of the skies and lack of aircraft activity while all flights were grounded for the next few days while things were getting sorted out.

I will NEVER forget footage of crowds celebrating and shouting 'Death to America'.
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2019, 09:47:07 am »
I was at work and saw it on the BBC News website. Shortly after we lost internet connectivity due to so many people watching via the internet, but we had a portable TV so I set that up and we all sat there watching it unfold, numb, all in shock.  :'(
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2019, 07:44:54 am »
Boomer, Interesting to hear from our Buddies oversea's..
What time was it there?

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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2019, 03:11:08 pm »
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2019, 03:08:40 am »
Boomer, Interesting to hear from our Buddies oversea's..
What time was it there?

Ride safe, Ted
Yeah, +5 from EST so mid afternoon. I first heard it via BBC News website about 2pm our time, only 15 mins after the first plane hit.
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2019, 05:40:07 am »
Yeah, +5 from EST so mid afternoon.

Well, +5 from EDT to UTC, +4 from EST to UTC (it was EDT at 9/11).  I believe Britain is still doing that same, stupid "daylight saving time" crap that we do, and at the same dates, so it would always be +5.
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2019, 09:49:49 am »
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Re: 18 years ago today
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2019, 03:29:36 am »
Yes, we are still doing Daylight Savings Time or "British Summer Time" as it's called here.
We change at the same time as the USA in the autumn (fall) but in the spring there is a 2 week difference where there is only a 4 hour difference.
So, in winter we are on UTC (GMT) and in Summer UTC+1 (BST).
In New York EDT is UTC-5, but is UTC-4 in Summer due to DST.

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