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Offline EddiE J.

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Valve Shim Kit
« on: September 23, 2019, 08:12:13 am »
Has anyone purchased the 208pcs AHL shim kit from Amazon ? I need a starter kit for the 9.48mm under bucket shims . All of mine are the wrong size. 

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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2019, 10:56:39 am »
Do you have your clearances so you can just figure which you need? Cant switch any around to get there? I cant remember where I ordered mine. I think I still have a couple in the packages. Pretty reasonable.

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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2019, 12:38:09 pm »
Murphs has a valve adjustment kit with other items needed for this project...

https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=525&osCsid=1okP8Ns0dMyfT5FYIFnHz2


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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2019, 03:15:38 pm »
Murphs has a valve adjustment kit with other items needed for this project...

https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=525&osCsid=1okP8Ns0dMyfT5FYIFnHz2

He is asking for the shims, though.  Murph's kit (which, I also ordered) has everything you need EXCEPT the shims (and tools, of course).
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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2019, 03:26:38 pm »
Has anyone purchased the 208pcs AHL shim kit from Amazon ? I need a starter kit for the 9.48mm under bucket shims . All of mine are the wrong size.

I might be in this "bucket" soon, too (pun intended).  You didn't mention vendor or part.  I will assume you mean this (or something similar):

https://www.amazon.com/XooLoon-Compatible-1992-1995-Thickness-1-20-4-00/dp/B07TZLXDQF
XooLoon Compatible for 9.48mm Valve Shim Kit Kawasaki ZR1100,Thickness 1.20-4.00 mm 208 Pcs  $73

The kit contains 4 of each size in 0.5mm increments.  Seems like a reasonable price for so many shims.  If you needed to replace all 16 (which seems VERY unlikely since you can usually swap at least SOME around) at $5 a pop from a dealer, it is about the same cost.  But if you just need a few, and for one bike, it is a bit pricey.

Here is a similar kit with just 1 of each size from 1.2 to 3.5mm in same increments for $35:
https://www.amazon.com/AHL-9-48mm-Adjustable-Kawasaki-2006-2010/dp/B01GJOYYHA

But if you need more than 1 of a size (which seems more likely for most people), that kit it isn't much help.  In my case, I don't want to be down extra days waiting for an order and risk of it being wrong.

I haven't yet contacted local dealers to see if/what they carry and the pricing, as I prepare for the project.

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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2019, 06:15:18 pm »
90% of the contents of ANY "KIT" will never be used.. why waste money, on shims out of the realm of ever being needed?

Most important part of the adjustment/inspection is measuring and recording what is actually in there, and replacing those, or swapping around existing ones.

as I note, you will NEVER ever need 90% of the contents of a kit, during the life of the bike, but you will need specific ones, in quantity, of the next higher thickness, when swapping.. and that may be based on the .05mm ratings.. which you only would get 4 each of, in any kit.. you have 16 shims... so you will likely need a bunch of the "same size ones" if bringing things to spec... HotCam kits do NOT offer the finite half sizes we use, so you may be even stuck there, with 100% of your "kit" un usable..
measure, record, and purchase shims as needed, after recording the data, and on paper figuring the swaps...
don't forget, you can also measure the head thickness of every shim bucket, and swap those around also, to really close the gaps.

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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2019, 09:34:08 pm »
All mine are wrong size .... My shim Kits ( KZ 1000 29mm shim kit )  ( KZ1000 13mm under cam bucket shim kit  ) 
I have not been into it yet to log the sizes and when I get the cams out I would like a full assortment to finish the job without having to run out or order up what I need. I have been thru this a few times not a big fan of under bucket shims .... got to love the old GPZs and Concours 10 adjustment even KZ1000 shim on top of follower is easy with cam tool . 
 **Thanks for the advice ! **  maybe I wont need any at all and I can see if the dealer will swap or order up the .025 shims that will allow me to get a perfect clearance . Your right all of those thin ones and thick ones GO UNUSED !  I already have 2 full sets that are going unused !

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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2019, 03:59:10 am »
Just so you know (and this is where I got my shims from):

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motorcycle/2012/ninja-zx-14r-zx1400ecf/valve-s

The shims used on the ZX14 are the same as the ones used on the C14.
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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2019, 05:35:00 am »
Just so you know (and this is where I got my shims from):

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motorcycle/2012/ninja-zx-14r-zx1400ecf/valve-s

Wow, $9.04 per shim and $8 for 4-day shipping!  Ouch.  Maybe my estimate of $5 at a dealer is way off.
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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2019, 06:15:07 am »
Jake Wilson used to sell shims cheap but they don't seem to be around anymore.  I have used Honda shims as they're cheaper than K shims ansd more readily available I've found.


SHIM, TAPPET (1.70)
14921-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.725)
14922-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.750)
14923-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.775)
14924-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.80)
14925-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.825)
14926-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.850)
14927-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.875)
14928-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.90)
14929-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.925)
14930-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.950)
14931-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (1.975)
14932-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.00)
14933-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.025)
14934-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.050)
14935-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.075)
14936-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.10)
14937-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.125)
14938-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.150)
14939-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.175)
14940-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.20)
14941-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.225)
14942-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.250)
14943-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.275)
14944-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.30)
14945-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.325)
14946-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.350)
14947-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.375)
14948-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.40)
14949-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.425)
14950-MBB-000

SHIM, TAPPET (2.450)
14951-MBB-000


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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2019, 08:23:06 am »
Jake Wilson is now Rocky Mountain ATV.  These are the shims I got I believe. Did mine in the winter so was not concerned with downtime. Shipped pretty fast though.

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/pro-x-valve-shim-p
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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2019, 03:36:17 pm »
Jake Wilson is now Rocky Mountain ATV.  These are the shims I got I believe. Did mine in the winter so was not concerned with downtime. Shipped pretty fast though.

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/pro-x-valve-shim-p

Yeah, $2 is much better.  $7 shipping.
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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2019, 03:55:12 pm »
Freddy !   Yea Buddy  I read about Honda shims work very nicely and that list is very helpful . I think I will open it up and measure / log sizes and head to the Honda dealer and pick up a few smaller and larger than whats in their . and call that my starter set !

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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2019, 05:43:48 pm »
Freddy !   Yea Buddy  I read about Honda shims work very nicely and that list is very helpful . I think I will open it up and measure / log sizes and head to the Honda dealer and pick up a few smaller and larger than whats in their . and call that my starter set !

I was looking for my Jake Wilson shim link, and could not find it.. but seems like Freddy and kzz1king hit it on the nailhead, they have the ones for low $ and make it easy.. I actually did all my measurements (one at a time, shim number, measured thickness to  decimal places with micrometers, not calipers, and also measured the thickness of each bucket's "head") and then replaced each until I got the setup worked out on my chart.. then I went to local Honda shops, and Kaw shops, and swapped with them, which they were all nice enough to do. I think I only needed to buy 2 shims, and got them in a couple days.. that is the "time consuming" part of the inspection.. but I saved buying more shims, by swapping bucket positions, as they vary in head thickness across the line.
As for your comment about buying smaller shims.. don't waste money on buying anything below the thinnest shim you find, you will always need "thicker shims, never thinner ones".


doh... BRAIN FART... SORRY..... I meant the opposite... don't buy thick ones....   :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:
I might be interested in taking some of those old KZ1000 shims off your hands tho..(along with that bucket tool lever thingy.. I lost mine).. shoot me a list of what you have, via a p/m, and when I open up my old '78 KZ this winter, I may need some...
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Re: Valve Shim Kit
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2019, 09:33:51 pm »

As for your comment about buying smaller shims.. don't waste money on buying anything below the thinnest shim you find, you will always need "thicker shims, never thinner ones".

Don't you mean just the opposite?  If the measurement is tight the shim will need to be thinner to increase the clearance (I think?)
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