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Re: Fatal KIPASS Failure? Serious problem and advice requested
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2019, 12:22:15 pm »
Sorry for the absence. Work has my head spinning right now.

The passive feature was tried on site. The FOBs were all given new batteries. A new battery was tried in the bike at the dealer. It will not respond at all, except for the SUBKEY ID ERROR on the screen. If I remember correctly, the guy said KDS was not able to connect. All involved are stumped. The 'whacks' on the stove key were a version the KIPASS rock/stuck spring bypass. Obviously, the stuck spring isn't the problem.

My only question is how did this problem just creep up all of the sudden? Worked fine for 11 years. Sat for 5 days, then failure.


We're starting to hear about bad connections creeping in on the older bikes or if they are near salt water.  Typically this occurs where multiple grounds meet up or rodent damage.
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Re: Fatal KIPASS Failure? Serious problem and advice requested
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2019, 02:19:34 pm »
Just throwing this out there since you mentioned it sat for a few days. Did you or the tech guys check under the seat/ECU or air filter area for mice chewed up wires? Although not likely since you've had the bike for a long time and sat for longer periods, curious if some wire short would cause this.

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Re: Fatal KIPASS Failure? Serious problem and advice requested
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2019, 05:27:41 pm »

We're starting to hear about bad connections creeping in on the older bikes or if they are near salt water.  Typically this occurs where multiple grounds meet up or rodent damage.

I believe I eluded to the necessity, when searching, for unplugging and re-plugging in, every connector; a "couple of times",  on every harness between the main ignition switch, and every ECU in the system, to insure they are "well connected", by the "scraping" action between the metallic parts of the connector plugs... this isn't the first time "mystery failure mode" has popped up in the last couple years, so just "cleaning battery connections" is only "part" of that procedure.. besides, it's free... doh...

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Re: Fatal KIPASS Failure? Serious problem and advice requested
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2019, 08:07:50 pm »
I believe I eluded to the necessity, when searching, for unplugging and re-plugging in, every connector; a "couple of times",  on every harness between the main ignition switch, and every ECU in the system, to insure they are "well connected", by the "scraping" action between the metallic parts of the connector plugs...

That is pretty standard stuff in the electronics and computer field, too (replug every connector and card), due to age and oxidation.  I will typically do it twice (remove, insert, remove insert).
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Re: Fatal KIPASS Failure? Serious problem and advice requested
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2019, 08:39:24 pm »
I tried jumping the bike when the problem started, as I thought it was a dead battery at first. There is no response or activation of the bike in any way except for the subkey id error on the screen. no fuel pump, no needle sweep, nothing. it's as if a stranger with no fob tried to activate the stove key...nothing, except I get a message on the screen.

the only thing that makes me skeptical about the connector issue is that there are some bikes slightly older than mine, with higher miles, and have sat in harsher salt air, and don't have my issue. My bike is garaged every night (except for being out of town) and i'm 20 miles from the ocean. I would think this issue would be more common if it were just that. but then again, i'm no expert.
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Re: Fatal KIPASS Failure? Serious problem and advice requested
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2019, 12:30:48 am »
But do you get the error message when using the active fob or only when using the passive function?
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Re: Fatal KIPASS Failure? Serious problem and advice requested
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2019, 05:45:28 pm »
I tried jumping the bike when the problem started, as I thought it was a dead battery at first. There is no response or activation of the bike in any way except for the subkey id error on the screen. no fuel pump, no needle sweep, nothing. it's as if a stranger with no fob tried to activate the stove key...nothing, except I get a message on the screen.

the only thing that makes me skeptical about the connector issue is that there are some bikes slightly older than mine, with higher miles, and have sat in harsher salt air, and don't have my issue. My bike is garaged every night (except for being out of town) and i'm 20 miles from the ocean. I would think this issue would be more common if it were just that. but then again, i'm no expert.

TJ, I know your longevity with this group, and I'm really wanting to help you in all sincerity, I know this has to be a hair pulling event... I feel bad;

Ok, I have repeated it now 3 times, but as for an "answer" I'm getting "no, nothing was repeatedly unplugged and re-plugged in, multiple times, to insure the connectors are scraped clean of any oxides present".
I can't say much more to reinforce this suggestion. many of these wires are connections allowing very low voltage signals/circuits into play within the smart chips and such.. any resistance whatsoever can be invisibly restricting a 5v signal, to a lower below threshold that causes errors in communication.

as for the Subkey ID Error, yeah, maybe someone slapped their passive chip up against your keyswitch, and pressed the key down, to activate... this would give that error.. now, it would seem to require you to invoke the on-board diagnostics, and go thru, see the codes, and erase them.. maybe the code being stored is taking precedence over everything else currently, and once erased...and then the battery connections removed, let sit for 10 minutes, and reconnect...and that invoke/erase code procedure revisited; may not re-appear.. I dunno... try it, it's free...   it just seems as if all the "simple steps" are being bypassed, and not done so far, in a complicated and tail chasing search.

If you are pressing the key down, and the screen is coming "alive" and giving that error, it sounds almost like someone "stuck" a passive chip against your ignition lock nub... and taped it on...

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Re: Fatal KIPASS Failure? Serious problem and advice requested
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 09:26:28 pm »
freddy, the subkey id error code came up with the passive key and shortly thereafter when I tried the passive chip.

MOB, not to my knowledge, no one has replugged in all the connectors. I'll have to ask, but I would assume some connectors would be replugged in the process of removing/inspecting components. Your idea of someone putting a passive fob to my ignition is, in theory, possible, albeit exceedingly rare I would imagine. These bikes are rare enough, and the majority of owners a likeable and helpful bunch!

I'm still quite busy at work for the next couple of weeks, but I'll check in with the shop soon to see specifically what has been tried thus far. I did hear that when they replaced the ignition a while back, they apparently did quite the hack job getting the security bolts out. It sounds like the under side of the triple tree is chewed up. You just can't get good help these days...
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