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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2019, 08:18:55 am »
Ya'll 2 bulls are just butting heads, and getting way to deep.
The system makes it easier to pull in the clutch lever.
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2019, 06:04:06 pm »
My old RT had one of these & it worked like a dream. Doesn't seem like it should disengage/engage properly but it did. It was stop & go across the bridge into Canada & saved my left hand from falling off.
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2019, 06:06:48 am »
Update: I took the lever off and cleaned and greased all the pivot points.  I moved the master cylinder as far inboard in the handlebar as much as possible so that I was reaching the end of the lever.   Then I installed those cheap Ebay pazzo knock off levers.  It is noticeably better now.       
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2019, 09:44:13 am »
You could try learning how to do clutchless shifting. I do that all the time, There are many videos on utube to show you how. The connie does it very well. I use it mostly upshifting.
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2019, 03:52:10 pm »
Why?
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2019, 11:16:42 pm »
Quick shifter......

Just gonna leave that there...... :rotflmao: :chugbeer:
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2019, 06:12:33 am »
I've actually found quick shifting like that to be smoother than using the clutch upshifting.  Haven't really tried that on the Indian.
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2019, 06:20:24 am »
I've actually found quick shifting like that to be smoother than using the clutch upshifting.  Haven't really tried that on the Indian.
2 wheeled farm implements have straight cut gears for sure engagement. They don't care about the extra noise when you're bailing hay and ****.
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2019, 08:04:00 am »

"Add the "Easy Clutch" to your classic and vintage BMW and it lessens the force required to pull the clutch lever. The effort required to operate the clutch is less than half of the stock setup!"


Physics :)  Their statement is not actually fully accurate (by wording and by omission).  The amount of effort (work) is the same before and after the modification.  The work is pressure/force over distance.  What they are doing is exactly what any pulley does- it reduces the amount of force, but you have to apply that force over more distance.  So what this means is to halve the amount of force of the clutch, you must pull it twice as far each time.  A good comparison is lifting a 10 pound weight 10 times is the same amount of effort as lifting a 20 pound weight 5 times.
silly stuff...
I don't really think that effort "explanation" really is right either...

I guess that's why I use small glasses when I drink beer.. reduces my "lift effort"..
anyways, a "single pully does not reduce effort.. just changes the direction of the pull...  E=W
in order to "reduce" effort"  a second pully must be added into the equation, and there in lies the "reduction", but again, some effort is lost due to friction on the pullies..

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/pulleys-d_1297.html


what is being seen in that BMW farkle, is not really due to the directional change, as much as because of the "lever" principle, based on the actual "diameter" of said chain gear ;  which does give specific advantage of the "lever" due to it's "distance from the rotational axis"


Ahhh look again guys...isn't the BMW device shown a movable pulley..which according to the reference you provided.....

Quote from: Toolbox website
With a single moveable pulley the effort force is half (or more due to efficiency loss) of the load.

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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2019, 08:08:40 am »
2 wheeled farm implements have straight cut gears for sure engagement. They don't care about the extra noise when you're bailing hay and ****.

The shifting gears in my C14 are straight cut, doesn't mean I'd ever own an fringed Indian, but I'm missing your point. Unless it was just to compare  V'Jim's
ride to a hay bailer, in which case I'm good.  :thumbs:

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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2019, 11:42:37 am »
Ahhh look again guys...isn't the BMW device shown a movable pulley..which according to the reference you provided.....


That's why I said it doesn't seem like it should work as good as it does. The pulley moves & the clutch only moves 1/2 the distance to engage/disengage.
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2019, 03:30:43 pm »
I've actually found quick shifting like that to be smoother than using the clutch upshifting.  Haven't really tried that on the Indian.

Can't do it 1-2, but from there on, I clutchless upshift about 90% of the time.  Clutchless DOWNshifting is a lot more difficult, and I rarely do that.
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2019, 04:00:15 pm »
That's why I said it doesn't seem like it should work as good as it does. The pulley moves & the clutch only moves 1/2 the distance to engage/disengage.

I admit, I didn't actually look at the "Install" instructions, and din't see that the "pullygear' was floating..
so Yes... it does make for 1/2 effort... sorry...
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2019, 06:08:18 pm »
 
I admit, I didn't actually look at the "Install" instructions, and din't see that the "pullygear' was floating..
so Yes... it does make for 1/2 effort... sorry...
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Re: Clutch pull
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2019, 07:19:28 pm »
But the same amount of work :)
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