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Re: First Valve Adjustment / TB Sync
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2019, 04:27:29 am »
Just for clarity....I will gladly ride an extra 8 hours to Arkansas from my home in Utah before I will ever put myself thru doing a valve adjust on this bike. Just saying. Life is too short!!

To each his own.  I, for one, find this type of work relaxing.

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Re: First Valve Adjustment / TB Sync
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2019, 07:36:14 am »
I enjoy this type of work but I did find it a bit nerve racking. Challenging ones self  i s good for the soul though. I might do it again. Maybe .

To each his own.  I, for one, find this type of work relaxing.
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Re: First (and probably last) Valve Adjustment
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2019, 06:01:59 pm »


For me, it not about money it was about wanting to know it was actually done correctly, within my control, and without any damage to anything.  But I am not kidding when I say I don't think I could go through that again.  And I really do caution people attempting this job to think carefully first.  It can take a LOT of time and there are a LOT of ways you can totally destroy the engine, plus it is very frustrating.
I think you grasp the jist of what I said, and to be truthful,  the total job first "go round", did span a few days, I really took the "time" to remove, and document it all, in my brain, and in photos; and as I am very particular, anal if you really want to know when it comes to things like this) a lot of time was spent on educating myself; didn't have to deal with broken bolts and such in mine, but the "actual" time in disassemble, inspect, adjust, re-install" along with doing extra's like routing vac lines for t/b synch (for future use, and anytime I want to check), cleaning, and looking closely at everything, really totaled about 12 "real working" hours... having never done it, and being one of the first to do it. The "wasted" time that accumulated over the multi day process, during allocation of parts (which wisely I refuted until I "KNEW" exactly what I needed, did accumulate, and add to the total process hours, but in reality, all the wrench turning, measuring, and re turning of the wrenches to completion, was a day and a half.. with beer breaks, and photos. Having said that, I walked into the house many times, and continued on with normal life, and working a 70 hr week at my Paying Job...
If you do it once, it's a p.i.t.a., second time, you know the short cuts... third time... it's like changing oil... well, not really, but it does become majorly simplified...

you did good.
I'll pat you on the back, and you should never be afraid to do it a second time. I have to do it again next fall.. and have no fear... Get a lift, it saves your back, is all I have to add....


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Re: First (and probably last) Valve Adjustment
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2019, 07:08:07 pm »
and document it all, in my brain, and in photos;

Yeah, I really regret not having taken photos and notes.  But I felt rushed and with my friend there during half of it, I just didn't think about it.  I am usually good at that type of thing.[/quote]

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you did good. I'll pat you on the back, and you should never be afraid to do it a second time. I have to do it again next fall.. and have no fear...

Well, I do have a poor memory, so maybe I will forget the trauma and stupidly dive in again one day.

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Get a lift, it saves your back, is all I have to add....

Unfortunately, I have no room for such stuff.

I just put on the final fairing and do-dads and took a long second ride tonight (just got home).  It is just fantastic.  Now I have to "unlearn" some of the "compensating" behaviors I developed to deal with it running so poorly.  But I don't think that will take very long :)
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Re: First (and probably last) Valve Adjustment
« Reply #79 on: December 06, 2019, 01:18:16 pm »
After reading all this, it kind of makes the $525 I charge seem way too cheap.......

 I have done 7 C14's this year and have another arriving this weekend........ Good likelyhood I have adjusted valves etc atleast 150 times on a C14 and I have yet to find one that hasn't needed atleast 8 of them adjusted, and some of these guys bring them in routinely every 15-20k, some are first timers bringing them @ 20k, 30k or even the most recent was 37k before he finally decided to get them done

the measurements the Op got don't surprise me for not having done them til 48k, the numbers he let them go out the door at do surprise me, why set them outside of the spec range and then you are already in there, why not spend another couple hours to change them again to get them actually correct?

Anyways.......

 I had a guy from PA drive all the way to MN to have his C14 get my major service tune this spring, he sat in the local hotel for 2 full days and nearly half of a third  (1pm check out, see he checked out and sat by their pool til about 2:30 when I picked him up) while I spent about 19 hours working on his bike over those 2+ days

The basic tune up stuff sure one can typically do in maybe 8 hrs (valves, TPS, sync, brake and clutch fluid flushed, oil/filter, plugs, air filter, final drive yada yada yada)
the major tune (pulling steering head, fork oil, all the rear suspension linkages, swingarm and wheel bearings to inspect clean and repack or change is far more involved and time consuming to do on top of the "normal" tune up stuff)

Anyways- glad to hear the OP got it back together despite a huge time investment and seemingly much stress...... maybe next time the $500ish plus parts will seem cheap in comparison (of course that broken engine bolt would have added some cost)

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Re: First (and probably last) Valve Adjustment
« Reply #80 on: December 06, 2019, 03:48:41 pm »
the measurements the Op got don't surprise me for not having done them til 48k, the numbers he let them go out the door at do surprise me, why set them outside of the spec range and then you are already in there, why not spend another couple hours to change them again to get them actually correct?

My mechanic friend was intentionally targeting the loose side, knowing they would tighten again over time.  They weren't meant/planned to be out of spec, just be on the furthest acceptable on the loose side (instead of center), but a few intakes went slightly over.  Not ideal, but he believes it should be fine.  Theoretically, it should last longer in-spec.  Remember, we had to wait several days to get the shims.  We talked about waiting another entire week just to get 2 more that were ever so slightly better, but I was also concerned it wouldn't get finished.  The buckets were nearly all identical, so we had nothing else to swap around.

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I have yet to find one that hasn't needed atleast 8 of them adjusted, and some of these guys bring them in routinely every 15-20k, some are first timers bringing them @ 20k, 30k or even the most recent was 37k before he finally decided to get them done

Yeah, I am beginning to think maybe some of those posts about people "needing no adjustment" were shady dealers ripping customers off (charging for a clearance check and not actually doing anything).  But who knows.
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Re: First (and probably last) Valve Adjustment
« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2019, 06:18:07 pm »
Congrats Max!
I've got two to maintain. It may be on my list for 2020.

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Re: First (and probably last) Valve Adjustment
« Reply #82 on: December 07, 2019, 09:00:40 am »
Quote from: maxtog link=topic=24313.msg303635#msg303635 date=1575672521

Yeah, I am beginning to think [i
maybe[/i] some of those posts about people "needing no adjustment" were shady dealers ripping customers off (charging for a clearance check and not actually doing anything).  But who knows.

 I completely agree Max NO WAY will all the valves be in spec. Im at 17k and I sometimes let my rpms get over 5 grand  :o :o
  I bet if i pulled it apart its ready for some shim shim.