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Offline Pillow

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Nasty Snatch
« on: December 07, 2019, 03:04:30 pm »
My 07 has a bit of a on/ off thing going on, just off of idle.  I've had a Shudabeen flash, which has made the bike almost perfectly fuelled.  It's just the low speed snatchiness.

Is it possible the secondary butterflies have been removed, and their loss is responsible for my low speed fuelling woes?  Is there a way to tell if they are present, without stripping the bike down?

Thoughts?  Advice?

Many thanks chaps, Nick

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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2019, 03:23:37 pm »
Do you have much free play in the throttle?  That can result in snatch too.  I prefer my throttle tight - with relatively no free play.  Makes the off/on transitions smoother (to me).

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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2019, 03:30:08 pm »
My 07

No such thing.  You must have a 2008 model (first model year).

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has a bit of a on/ off thing going on, just off of idle.  I've had a Shudabeen flash, which has made the bike almost perfectly fuelled. It's just the low speed snatchiness.

As Chi pointed out, this is almost always due to throttle play needing to be adjusted.  It takes only about 60 seconds to do.  I find it needs adjustment at least every few years.

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Is it possible the secondary butterflies have been removed, and their loss is responsible for my low speed fuelling woes?

You shouldn't have the bike flashed if the secondaries are removed....  controlling the secondary butterflies is 95% of what the flash does.  If the flies were removed, you would notice almost no difference before and after the flash... otherwise, the change is dramatic.
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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2019, 04:29:28 pm »
Click bait... >:(  :rotflmao:
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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2019, 05:04:15 pm »
No such thing.  You must have a 2008 model (first model year).

You do know there are other countries ... right?  ;)
OP hasn't given a location and some places did indeed get 07 models.
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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2019, 05:18:22 pm »
..........built in 07 but advertised 2008MY (model year) down here - everything's a year older than what the salesperson says.   :o

But all this is :offtopic:
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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2019, 06:05:44 pm »
I saw the title and thought this was a post about my ex wife?!?!

As was mentioned earlier I'd check throttle cables as the first/easiest/cheapest fix.

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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2019, 06:44:50 pm »
Location is Uk and they do refer to the bike as an 07 at times.  Keep calm, and carry on.


As for the OP, throttle tamers do help.  It helped me for sure.  Also make sure that there is the correct amount of free play in the throttle as well.
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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2019, 12:10:47 am »
..........built in 07 but advertised 2008MY (model year) down here - everything's a year older than what the salesperson says.   :o

Everything with vehicles is communicated by model year, not when it was actually made or purchased.  The annoying thing is the release of the next "model year" earlier and earlier, as if consumers are that stupid.  Kawasaki is pretty consistent, though (sticking pretty close to Sept/Oct).

There is nothing correct about calling a 2008 Concours a "2007."  Huge and minor changes in model year versions will cause major confusion with what was actually purchased (and what features it has, what specs, what parts).   If there is ever any question, the VIN puts it to rest (since the model year is encoded in it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number#Vehicle_identifier_section

So while it might be OK to say "I bought it in 2007" when referring to a 2008, it is not correct to say "I have a 2007" or "My 2007" (as the OP did; regardless of where).  There are times semantics matter a lot.
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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2019, 04:43:21 am »
Hi all

Thank you all so much for your replies.  Very informative.  I think as much as anything, I wondered if my bike had the flies- I am planning on a full service in Spring, but can't take the bike off the road as it's my 'daily drive'.

My bike is registered on 1st August 2007 and I'm in England

The title was intentional :)

I've adjusted the cables and idle speed.  Have stuff to do, so wont test it until my commute tomorrow, but I think it will make a big difference.

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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2019, 04:44:46 am »
ZG1400 aka in the US -Concours- started as a 2007 model in Europe.
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/kawasaki/gtr1400/2007/

It is very easy to check for secondary throttle plates. Remove seat...then gas tank...Remove inspection plates. 10 minutes maybe total. You can see the two inspection plates in this picture
http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/fuel-tank-removal-39649/
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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2019, 04:51:25 am »
It is very easy to check for secondary throttle plates. Remove seat...then gas tank...Remove inspection plates. 10 minutes maybe total.

Ok.  Much easier than I thought.  I would like to know, so I can restore them if they're not there.


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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2019, 04:54:25 am »
Yes..Mine were missing. I had to buy a whole throttle body set off eBay because  the plates and screws are not sold separately. They are cheap on ebay. Any year will work
my bike was extremely snatchy without them
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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2019, 06:15:29 am »
I've adjusted the cables and idle speed.  Have stuff to do, so wont test it until my commute tomorrow, but I think it will make a big difference.

Hopefully that will do the trick.  On mine, it does.  The C-14 is already very "snatchy", natively/stock, which is why I first installed a "Throttle Tamer" (which was perfect).   But the Shoodabeen flash also addresses "snatch", so now mine is a little over-corrected (whatever one would call the opposite of "snatchy."
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Re: Nasty Snatch
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2019, 06:37:36 am »
Hopefully that will do the trick.  On mine, it does.  The C-14 is already very "snatchy", natively/stock, which is why I first installed a "Throttle Tamer" (which was perfect).   But the Shoodabeen flash also addresses "snatch", so now mine is a little over-corrected (whatever one would call the opposite of "snatchy."
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