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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2020, 09:29:01 am »
I am guessing the injectors are in the carb throats? Using carbs to control air flow? Just a guess I guess.
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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2020, 09:47:16 am »
kzz1king, Ding ding ding!. Good deduction and observation!

MOB,  How lame can you get....You asked me to show you the throttle bodies while you were pointing right at them.

Some other things you may have missed.

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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2020, 10:43:11 am »
man of blues, I have put way too much into this project for you to Pis* all over it.



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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2020, 03:37:43 pm »
man of blues,

And I see now that you have gone back and removed all the disparaging remarks you made to me. Covering your tracks? 

You called me "fake" and implied that I was being dishonest by trying to "fool all of us."

Your not only a troll, you're a dishonest sneaky troll.

So now no one can understand why I am so pis*sed off.
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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2020, 04:16:56 pm »
man of blues,

And I see now that you have gone back and removed all the disparaging remarks you made to me. Covering your tracks? 

You called me "fake" and implied that I was being dishonest by trying to "fool all of us."

Your not only a troll, you're a dishonest sneaky troll.

So now no one can understand why I am so pis*sed off.

No I saw it, just didn't have the time to react... I'll be quite honest if this pattern continues I will take corrective action...
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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2020, 06:25:39 pm »
No I saw it, just didn't have the time to react... I'll be quite honest if this pattern continues I will take corrective action...

Understood Tony.
And, I will admit to removing the disparaging remarks, (it is clearly evident I did so, by the edit time and date stamp on my post, and by the quoted portion he placed.. no mystery. No deception implicated.. I simply removed it.), because I felt the need to, based on the lack of info given prior. I based my comment on what I saw. The hidden aspects of his assembly, were not revealed, until I commented. SO, I removed the insulting sounding remarks. I did see the throttle position sensor, but in his vid, it was not showing any input on his computer. I therefore committed to asking about throttle body. The injectors, and the location of same, were never revealed ever prior, and un seen in any prior revelations.

I apologize for jumping at conclusions, but only for that, and my personal comments.
other than that, I really have no desire to further brow beat the man. I'm sorry.

there will be no further interaction from me in response to anything the O/P posts on this subject.. I wish him best of luck.

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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2020, 09:01:46 pm »
No I saw it, just didn't have the time to react... I'll be quite honest if this pattern continues we will take corrective action...

Corrected it for you.

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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2020, 04:02:50 am »
To my fellow forum members,
I joined this forum shortly after purchasing my first C10. I am now on my third.  I joined because I was enthusiastic about my new toy and had a list of questions. Along with my question I wished to share my experiences. Both my successes and failures, new things I learned and interesting discoveries. I have a keen interest in experimenting with my motorcycles. Doing things that challenge me and keep life interesting.  I have tried to openly share those experiences here with everyone. But when I do, I am often criticized, disparaged, demeaned, and called dishonest. It Is very disheartening to want to share, be accepted but then be rejected.

I had planned to publish of all the details of my latest experiment but only after I had worked out all the kinks and could call it successful.  Maybe I was premature in showing my progress before it was completely ready, but the response I received was shocking and demotivating. So, I find no joy in sharing here anymore.   Anyone interested in the experience and how I got this far can get some of the information from this document.
http://gpineau.com/Public_files/
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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2020, 06:37:06 am »
As an FYI, the link won't open as posted, as the spaces in the file name got converted to 'A20' in the link.

I was able to get to it by shortening your link to: http://gpineau.com/Public_files/ and opening the file from the 'read only' ftp equivalent link found there.

I saw all the posts and have just read your DOCX file.  I really wish you could find a way to continue to post your progress and not let what happened keep you away.
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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2020, 06:44:30 am »
I really wish you could find a way to continue to post your progress and not let what happened keep you away.

I'll 2nd that wish, even though I don't ride anymore I do enjoy reading the "I'm gonna make it work" attitude...
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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2020, 01:08:33 pm »
I'm still following....

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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2020, 04:10:41 pm »
I know I said I didn't want to post here anymore but I cant contain it.

So I was setting in the garage, motor running, pointed toward the street and scared Shi-t-less.  Pondering should I chance it or not? This is a big bike and I don't want to push it home.  I gave it a little throttle and released the clutch and I am down the driveway and heading down the block toward the corner. Christ ! I have never even tested the brakes on this thing, hoping it will stop.  From the stop sign I turn left and gave it more gas and away it went with me holding on. This is the most thrilled I have been since I can't remember.  It FRIGGING_SCREAMS ! I was at the end of the block before I could get to second gear. I spent the next ten minutes tooling around the neighborhood milking the throttle, goosing it then engine braking.  At times at WOT it would begin to sputter but the ECU would soon make the correction. I never got past 3rd gear.  Then it begins to snow, sleet... So I pulled into the garage and killed it. Took a deep breath and tried to wipe the smile off my face but I am still grinning.

 It has be a long road to get to this point and I and so thankful for the support and advice I have been getting in both public and in private conversations. Far from done but I am so encouraged right now.
Compared to my other C10, I can tell that this one will smoke it, hands down.  I need to find my go-pro and mount it on a helmet. I cant wait till tomorrow. 
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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2020, 04:20:45 pm »
That is AWESOME results!!!
Please, please, please keep posting here.
I'm with T Cro. Enjoying the read & results.
Keep up the good work!
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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2020, 07:16:34 am »
That's great news!!
   I've been following since the beginning.
   I'll start with; I admit that most of the electrical/programming is way over my head.
   But' I've enjoyed watching as you worked your way around all...
    Your solutions to problems are different, and out of the box.
          Keep up the good work.

Ride safe, Ted

PS: Please be careful out there.
      There are more things (than braking problems) to be concerned with on the road.

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Re: C10 EFI Project
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2020, 07:40:31 pm »
Ted,
I bet you could to this. I have already made all the silly mistakes and found all the ways not to do it. Just do what I did and it will work.

 I was a computer hardware designer and a embedded  firmware engineer in a previous life. So the electrical and hardware assembly was not that hard for me.

 It was working out the mechanical and physical aspects that took the most time. It is the tuning that frightens me the most. Manly because I have no experience in that aspect of EFI.
 I purchased the pro version of Tuner studio which is a terrific help in getting things right under all the other conditions. All you need is to set up the AFR tables, preliminary VE table and the spark advance table. The base tune is provided with the ECU firmware so you don't have to start from scratch. The base tune is good enough to get it started.

Getting it started, warmed up and idle is half the battle. After that the tuner studio has a function that will check the settings against what you want the final AFR to be and make adjustment to the VE table to bring the AFR inline with whats in the table. There is a free version that takes a lot of measurements and makes recommendations then you make the changes manually. But in my opinion the paid auto-tune version is worth the price.

Yesterday I had tuned around idle and low RPM with no load.  The rest of the VE table was just based off default "base tune". When I left the garage it performed very well under the conditions I had tuned for but as I put it under different loading conditions I could feel it hesitate briefly then the auto tune would start to work out and correct the setting and shortly it was pulling strong.  The longer you drive it around with Auto tune the better it gets and eventually it is tuned for all speed and load conditions.   
here s a great video that will give you an idea of how helpful tuner studio is.

As for the firmware in the ECU...I gave up on that in the middle of my first project. The guys at Speeduino were so far ahead it didn't make sense to roll my own. All you need is a PC and the development tools and a USB port. They make it simple to download the firmware to the ECU.  And the guys at the Speeduino forum are so very friendly and helpful. When you get stumped they can walk you through getting un-stumped.

And since I have already done it I am sure you can do it too. I bet there are hundreds of old Connies sitting in garages and sheds that have not been started in years. Good candidates for a interesting and fun project.
 
Here is the document that names the different steps I took that I think anyone can follow. Anyone with basic mechanical/electrical skills will not have too much difficulty in replicating what I have done.

http://gpineau.com/Public_files/

https://youtu.be/x4RBi8Xf92Y

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