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Offline fartymarty

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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2020, 07:01:34 pm »
'10 purchased in March of 2011, warranty runs out next month. :(

approx. 94,000+ miles  :)

 One set of spark plugs (@50,000+ mi),
 two valve adjustments (@18,000 mi.+ & @50,000+ mi),
 3rd-4th gears replaced under warranty for broken tooth on 4th gear,
 clutch bled once (during gear replacement)
coolant changed once (also during gear replacement),
 front and rear brakes bled 4 times,
 cam o ring changed to larger one (once),
front brake pads replaced 4 times,  rear 2 times,
unknown number of oil changes and tire changes. (I have records, I'm just too lazy to go total it up)
Main battery replaced once,
tire sensor batteries replaced once,
fob battery replaced twice*. (*3 times really, as original fob was lost with original battery.  ::) :-[ )
 Right side fork leak repaired (cleaned) with piece of 35mm film strip cut with hook on end.
One stuck throttle due to my not quite installing Rostra cruise control as I should have.  ::)  :-[
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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2020, 11:47:34 am »
I have 120k on a 2010.  Besides  valves at 20k, spark plugs at 60k and fork seals at 110k, it has been fairly maintenance fee with the exception of air filters, coolant, oil, oil filters, and tires.  Oh, yeah, plenty of brake pads too..

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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2020, 09:43:03 pm »
I didn't notice valve adjustments made in these posts.
Wayne
OK, ya caught me. Being that the bike shop in San Jose recently quoted me $830. and I really don't trust these "mechanics" anyways from the stories I hear, I will do it if I notice a lack of normal valve noise, the mpg drops or it runs differently. I'm never selling it, so any harm being done is my problem. No one on here has complained of any burnt valves yet either, and I'm pretty sure there are more bikes with more miles than mine w/o valve checks. The spark plugs will tell a tale when I replace them after 10 years and 100k miles. Even though it is in perfect shape, the bike is only worth probably $2,000. and will outlive my riding time I'm sure the way I'm maintaining it. You guys can flame me, but I have asbestos underwears. ;)

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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2020, 12:55:16 am »
Boys and girls, the O.P. stated MAJOR repairs ;) Oil, filter, fluids, pads, tires are not major repairs ;)

Flame on! Most will state you need to check valve clearance per mfg's recommendations. It's trivially easy. If close to limits, recheck in 10k miles before you spring bux for new shims.

Related, drove a Tacoma POC (Pile of ...) for 165k miles, shim over bucket valves (like the C-14?). First (only) check of valves at 130k miles, they were spot on.

Rick

OK, ya caught me. Being that the bike shop in San Jose recently quoted me $830. and I really don't trust these "mechanics" anyways from the stories I hear, I will do it if I notice a lack of normal valve noise, the mpg drops or it runs differently. I'm never selling it, so any harm being done is my problem.
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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2020, 05:57:11 am »
Flame on! Most will state you need to check valve clearance per mfg's recommendations. It's trivially easy.

I agree that nobody should count a valve check/adjust as anything other than expected maintenance.  But it is far from trivially easy and is much more expensive than any other maintenance item (and far more than any other bike I have owned due to the complexity/difficulty).
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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2020, 06:03:44 am »
OK, ya caught me. Being that the bike shop in San Jose recently quoted me $830. and I really don't trust these "mechanics" anyways from the stories I hear, I will do it if I notice a lack of normal valve noise, the mpg drops or it runs differently.

As you know, I waited far too long to check/adjust mine, and it was way off.  There was no drop in MPG and no valve noise.  Although it was running poorly and performance was considerably off.  As to whether any permanent damage can be done unless there are symptoms, I don't know; perhaps?
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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2020, 08:19:04 pm »
As you know, I waited far too long to check/adjust mine, and it was way off.  There was no drop in MPG and no valve noise.  Although it was running poorly and performance was considerably off.  As to whether any permanent damage can be done unless there are symptoms, I don't know; perhaps?
The C-14 engine and running gear is built like brick outhouse- you would have to flog it mercilessly for years, never do any maintenance or be a complete idiot to harm it. 5 quarts of syn oil plus water cooling and being way under stressed means it's virtually bulletproof. My '74 Z-1 still purrs and rips after 45 years and it's air cooled.

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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2020, 09:06:05 pm »
No flaming hear. I did mine once and dont plan to do it again.Just gonna ride it. I wanted a feel for how often people with high milage bikes checked them.
Wayne
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OK, ya caught me. Being that the bike shop in San Jose recently quoted me $830. and I really don't trust these "mechanics" anyways from the stories I hear, I will do it if I notice a lack of normal valve noise, the mpg drops or it runs differently. I'm never selling it, so any harm being done is my problem. No one on here has complained of any burnt valves yet either, and I'm pretty sure there are more bikes with more miles than mine w/o valve checks. The spark plugs will tell a tale when I replace them after 10 years and 100k miles. Even though it is in perfect shape, the bike is only worth probably $2,000. and will outlive my riding time I'm sure the way I'm maintaining it. You guys can flame me, but I have asbestos underwears. ;)
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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2020, 06:51:35 am »
I had 175,000 on my first 08, (pictured at track day in my avatar) Only normal maintenance and was was running great until it was killed by death- rear-ended by a Corolla.
My replacement 08 now at 94,000. Rather not talk  about my 09
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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2020, 10:51:59 am »
Boys and girls, the O.P. stated MAJOR repairs ;) Oil, filter, fluids, pads, tires are not major repairs ;)


Noted, and response edited below.

'10 purchased in March of 2011, warranty runs out next month. :(

approx. 94,000+ miles  :)

 One set of spark plugs (@50,000+ mi),
 two valve adjustments (@18,000 mi.+ & @50,000+ mi),
 3rd-4th gears replaced under warranty for broken tooth on 4th gear @approx 48,000 miles.


Many will continue to say this bike is bullet proof, and perhaps most are. However my experience was not unique, and once the dealer called the
area rep he was able to accurately guess what the problem was over the phone. He had seen this before. The tooth broke off of my 4th gear and
fell down into bottom of the case. No I wasn't rough on it and I always use the clutch to shift gears. I think there was a known heat treatment problem
somewhere in the mix as the 3-4th gear part numbers changed well before the 1st gear ratio change in '15.

other not bulletproofs:

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=20433.msg253669#msg253669

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/concours-tranmission/

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=19841.0

....so IMO, pretty reliable bike and I love mine,....... but bulletproof?  No.


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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2020, 02:46:17 pm »
Yeah, there are a few failure points on this model. I had the famous rear end seal failure, where the rear end lube (Easy boys!) in the hub splatters all over the wheel, road and rear fender. Also, several of us have had the gear position indicator fail, and a few other slightly weak areas. Small in percentage or actual number of cases certainly but there are enough of them that quite a few of us have either had it happen or directly watched it happen to other bikes.

And I must say, a C-14 down for a broken transmission gear is a sorry and sorta' scary sight: in the case of the one I saw in person, a hulk of a chassis surrounded by three tables full 'o C-14 parts. More than far enough torn down to wonder if it could be reassembled correctly ever again though all went well in this instance (very competent and able local dealer here).

Brian

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Many will continue to say this bike is bullet proof, and perhaps most are. However my experience was not unique, and once the dealer called the
area rep he was able to accurately guess what the problem was over the phone. He had seen this before. The tooth broke off of my 4th gear and
fell down into bottom of the case. No I wasn't rough on it and I always use the clutch to shift gears. I think there was a known heat treatment problem
somewhere in the mix as the 3-4th gear part numbers changed well before the 1st gear ratio change in '15.

other not bulletproofs:

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=20433.msg253669#msg253669

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/concours-tranmission/

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=19841.0

....so IMO, pretty reliable bike and I love mine,....... but bulletproof?  No.
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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2020, 08:39:29 pm »
No flaming hear. I did mine once and dont plan to do it again.Just gonna ride it. I wanted a feel for how often people with high milage bikes checked them.
Wayne
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IMHO the 1973-74 Z-1's are the best looking original superbikes- liking the black headers. Mine still has the original clutch, Mikunis, dual points and rear brake pads. My Z-1 smoked a lot of Hondas, H2's and Corvettes in it's day and still feisty.

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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2020, 09:51:00 am »
I agree. I rebuilt a 1000 motor. Mild cams, 29 smoothbores and 1075 bore. It is a lot of fun. I dont ride it that much anymore but it gets ridden every year. I bought it form a friend in 1976.
Wayne

IMHO the 1973-74 Z-1's are the best looking original superbikes- liking the black headers. Mine still has the original clutch, Mikunis, dual points and rear brake pads. My Z-1 smoked a lot of Hondas, H2's and Corvettes in it's day and still feisty.
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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2020, 02:40:19 pm »
Hey guys, it's been a while but I used to be the proud owner of a 2012 C14. I owned and rode it for 2 years before trading it in and it had 50k miles on it when I let it go (approximately), but it was running great at that time with zero issues. I traded for a Triumph Trophy, a really nice bike, with serious issues after 30k miles! I am now on a Triumph Tiger and it, too, is a great bike but I am preparing to send it in for a warranty repair, bad alternator, and then see where it goes from there. The Trophy started failing the exact same way, bad alternator. Then, 2 of the gears had to be replaced, the clutch basket had to be replaced, and finally, it sucked a valve and that was the end of that bike for me. It spent 8 months of 1 year in the shop! The Tiger was their way of helping me get out of the Trophy. I do like the legroom the ADV bike offers but I do miss the wind protection offered from a sport touring bike (it's very windy and noisy on the Tiger and I am not a huge fan of that). I read how all of you are enjoying trouble-free ownership and I get jealous! I am 100% confident I would have had 200k miles on my 2012 had I not traded it. Do I regret letting it go? Heck yeah! I have always been partial toward the C14 and will be so until it dies! I did need to test the waters but in the end, I do miss my Concours and if my knees can handle it once the Tiger is done, there is a good possibility I am going back to the Concours. I miss my flashed C14; so much power, soooo smooth, so much fun to ride but I took the bait and have to finish what I started. Enjoy those trouble-free miles boys and I might be back, someday.
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Re: 100,000 Mile C-14's
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2020, 07:29:53 pm »
Hey guys, it's been a while but I used to be the proud owner of a 2012 C14. I owned and rode it for 2 years before trading it in and it had 50k miles on it when I let it go (approximately), but it was running great at that time with zero issues. I traded for a Triumph Trophy, a really nice bike, with serious issues after 30k miles! I am now on a Triumph Tiger and it, too, is a great bike but I am preparing to send it in for a warranty repair, bad alternator, and then see where it goes from there. The Trophy started failing the exact same way, bad alternator. Then, 2 of the gears had to be replaced, the clutch basket had to be replaced, and finally, it sucked a valve and that was the end of that bike for me. It spent 8 months of 1 year in the shop! The Tiger was their way of helping me get out of the Trophy. I do like the legroom the ADV bike offers but I do miss the wind protection offered from a sport touring bike (it's very windy and noisy on the Tiger and I am not a huge fan of that). I read how all of you are enjoying trouble-free ownership and I get jealous! I am 100% confident I would have had 200k miles on my 2012 had I not traded it. Do I regret letting it go? Heck yeah! I have always been partial toward the C14 and will be so until it dies! I did need to test the waters but in the end, I do miss my Concours and if my knees can handle it once the Tiger is done, there is a good possibility I am going back to the Concours. I miss my flashed C14; so much power, soooo smooth, so much fun to ride but I took the bait and have to finish what I started. Enjoy those trouble-free miles boys and I might be back, someday.
Mike I remember you well since Ojai is one of my 5 favorite places to ride in Ca. I used to give you grief about the wife and spending money- all in good fun I hope. It's good to hear you are coming back to your senses after doing other bikes, and being disappointed. For most of us, C-14's are best.