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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #150 on: April 06, 2020, 09:34:37 am »
Well said. I'll try to do my part.



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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #151 on: April 06, 2020, 11:34:07 am »
Back to the subject of "neutral" news, I'm surprised that you find the BBC to be biased. I don't often see the BBC that y'all get in the USA but here they have a mandate to be as neutral as possible w.r.t. the news. As a consequence we constantly hear that the BBC is left biased and the BBC is right biased and both the left and right agree that the BBC is against them.

I guess that is mostly directed at me, since Brian said he finds it mostly unbiased. I'll admit that I don't watch the the BBC America version of the news, but I do read the BBC news on the BBC app on my phone. I have no way of knowing if I am receiving the same thing on that APP as I would if I resided in the UK. If it is in fact biased, I'll agree with you that it is nowhere near as biased as the most biased of the main stream media here regardless of the left/right direction of lean. However since, on the whole, the  Government of the UK is slightly to the left of the U.S. (I will add IMO here in case some disagree) then it would seem that if it is considered neutral there, that it would be slightly left biased here. Am I using faulty logic? ..or worse no logic?
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What I really dislike about our TV news is the commercialism involved. The need to make it palatable and entertaining to the lowest common denominator so the most people will tune in to see the ads. I wish it had no commercial ads, ever. I wish they would try to be as cold and factual as possible. I tire of the adjectives they use, "shocking new video", well I'll decide if its shocking thank you; "disturbing story" well I'll decide if its disturbing thank you; "surprising response" well once again I'd like to make that decision. Then the need to have a touchy feel good story at the end of every broadcast, "heart warming story of those who care"; I'll decide if it's heartwarming if I must, but I'd rather see the story of real news that was cut to make room for the mushy stuff. Stories about people standing around at candlelight vigils (IMO a huge waste of time by stupid people), stories about firetrucks parading in front of hospitals with their lights and sirens on in a "tribute" to health care workers. Get the hell out of there and let the nurses and doctors get back inside to save people. Broadcasting that crap stuff just encourages more illogical behavior. Might as well have a rolling thunder tribute of open piped Harleys parading by "paying tribute", when in fact it would really be an excuse for them to get out and do what they like doing (noise making and having people look at them) more than it has to do with tribute. Want to give real tribute?..give them some masks and gloves you've been hoarding at home.

OK, I'm finished venting, thanks for the forum..back to virus talk folks..

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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #152 on: April 06, 2020, 02:08:25 pm »
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #153 on: April 06, 2020, 03:11:03 pm »
Right- all the 'news' ever needed to be was..... news. It has become confused and infused with entertainment, which IMO has effectively ruined the very point of news, which should be, and used to be, simply providing information. Can you even imagine what Edward Murrow or even Walter Cronkite would think of today's "dog and pony shows" that are presented as news?

We are literally living the plot of the movie 'Network' IMO. That was an off-beat, somewhat dark comedy. Of course the news today is bright and upbeat comedy but close enough. And not just the news, the entertainment / shock / being amazingly interesting factor has infected most aspects of life that should be dry, direct and unbiased. If you do not believe that, go back and watch any part (or all) of the O.J. case.... what should have been a court case, tried by 'blind justice' was really a soap opera that could have been named 'As the stomach turns'. (not talking about guilt or innocence of that case, just the fact that it was a media circus and was dripping with false drama for 'the masses')

And BTW, not much of a rant Marty.  ;) ;D

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What I really dislike about our TV news is the commercialism involved.

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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #154 on: April 06, 2020, 03:18:18 pm »
I guess that is mostly directed at me, since Brian said he finds it [BBC] mostly unbiased. I'll admit that I don't watch the the BBC America version of the news, but I do read the BBC news on the BBC app on my phone. I have no way of knowing if I am receiving the same thing on that APP as I would if I resided in the UK. If it is in fact biased, I'll agree with you that it is nowhere near as biased as the most biased of the main stream media here regardless of the left/right direction of lean.

I also don't know about "BBC America", when I do consult BBC, I go straight there.  I agree that the BBC is far less biased than perhaps all USA mainstream media.  But all media is biased in some way, it is almost impossible not to be.  It is more of a matter of what type of bias(es), how far, and in what way.  Not covering something is also a bias, and I see that a LOT.

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However since, on the whole, the  Government of the UK is slightly to the left of the U.S. (I will add IMO here in case some disagree)

I agree.  The UK as a whole, is considerably more left than the USA, as a whole.  But their mainstream media seems far less so than the vast majority of ours.  Ours has also been getting worse by the year (or at least it certainly seems that way to me). 

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then it would seem that if it is considered neutral there, that it would be slightly left biased here. Am I using faulty logic? ..or worse no logic?

No, I think your logic is correct.  Everything is relative.

About the best one can hope for when researching something here is to consult MULTIPLE sources, specifically INCLUDING right-of-center sources (which are few and far between) and see where they agree and on what they disagree (and how), and sometimes include a BBC perspective on it, too.  Somewhere between is the truth (whatever that might be).  This is frustrating, though, because it takes a lot of effort, few people will do that.  They will watch CNN or read the NY Times and think they are getting "balanced and impartial" news, and nothing could be further from the truth.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #155 on: April 06, 2020, 06:25:35 pm »
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Based on what I have seen over here I would lump Fox and CNN together in the bin marked "Politically biased with frequent fabrication" which in my opinion makes them not worth my time. I regularly peruse a variety of internationally available news services, from Aljazeera to Sky News to try to see the world from other peoples points of view. Listening to and trying to understand both sides of any issue can often be a real eye opener.

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Why would I want to do that especially since I would probably consider their 'point of view' wrong.  :rotflmao:
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #156 on: April 07, 2020, 07:19:36 am »
Why would I want to do that especially since I would probably consider their 'point of view' wrong.  :rotflmao:
If you choose to listen to one source for your news, then we have nothing further to discuss. You have made up your mind and are convinced that your side are right and that's an end of it. Personally I try to keep an open mind and don't believe in extremes in anything outside of the basic laws of physics.

As for the BBC being left leaning from the US's point of view, most probably, but then y'all are one of the more right leaning countries in the "western world". The BBC is far from perfect but until recently it remained mostly free of political interference. Unfortunately that may soon change if they get forced to go fully commercial.  >:(
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #157 on: April 07, 2020, 02:58:56 pm »
y'all are one of the more right leaning countries in the "western world".

By design :)
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #158 on: April 07, 2020, 03:27:12 pm »
If you choose to listen to one source for your news, then we have nothing further to discuss. You have made up your mind and are convinced that your side are right and that's an end of it. Personally I try to keep an open mind and don't believe in extremes in anything outside of the basic laws of physics.

As for the BBC being left leaning from the US's point of view, most probably, but then y'all are one of the more right leaning countries in the "western world". The BBC is far from perfect but until recently it remained mostly free of political interference. Unfortunately that may soon change if they get forced to go fully commercial.  >:(

Here in the Colonies NPR, National Public Radio, and PBS, Public Broadcasting System, are both funded with taxpayer monies. They both are overtly left leaning. I as a taxpayer do not have a say on how my money is spent to fund them. They are using my tax money in direct contradiction to my interests. Self supporting commercial media is funded by my discretionary spending. I can and do choose where I spend my time (watching and listening) and my money (advertising). I don't think you are getting a bias free BBC just because it's not influenced by capitalist advertising dollars.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #159 on: April 07, 2020, 04:05:53 pm »
Here in the Colonies NPR, National Public Radio, and PBS, Public Broadcasting System, are both funded with taxpayer monies.

They also are funded by individual donations, corporate grants, fund raisers, etc.  So it is nowhere near 100% government funded.  Of course, trying to figure out how MUCH is government funding is apparently very difficult to determine.  Despite my [not terribly in-depth] research, I still don't know.  But I would guess it is more than 50%.

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They both are overtly left leaning.

Absolutely.  But at least they are generally "softer" (not loud or annoying or sensationalistic) and generally less politicized.

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I as a taxpayer do not have a say on how my money is spent to fund them.

Not directly.  But no less than we have on anything else that is government-controlled.  In theory, we have a representative government, and that is about the span of an individual's control over it (which isn't much).  A bigger issue (to me) is that it is not really a power granted to the Federal government in the Constitution (but that hardly seems to matter, anymore).

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I don't think you are getting a bias free BBC just because it's not influenced by capitalist advertising dollars.

No media and no news can be completely bias-free.  Some are better than others, of course.

That aside, there is still some good content on PBS, mostly things that stick to art, literature-based, how-to, and pure science.  Frontline is an example of something outside that list, although, depending on the topic, it often still has some good content.  Similar (but lesser) thing with Nova- excellent show most of the time, but it can really lean at times.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #160 on: April 08, 2020, 04:26:29 am »
Here the BBC is mostly funded by a "TV Licence" that all households have to pay unless they can PROVE that they don't consume non-commercial BBC content in any way (Radio, TV, WebPages), so I guess you can call it a tax. It costs 157.50UKP per year per household. For that ya get several commercial free TV stations, a couple of internet only TV stations as well as internet catch-up for all stations, a plethora of local, national, and international radio stations, and commercial free access to the BBC website. It sounds expensive when compared to Netflix or Prime, but when you look at the content and breadth of media, it's not that bad.
The BBC does get some government tax money, mostly for providing the BBC World Service Radio and TV stations outside the UK.
The BBC also sells many of it's shows outside the UK, sells licences for show formats, and has several commercial TV Stations under the banner of UKTV. Many of these UKTV stations mostly show repeats of old BBC shows, but some also commission new content.
It's a complex beastie and it's likely that fairly soon the TV Licence will be scrapped and the BBC will become just like all the other commercial TV stations and pander only to the "majority" with boring quiz shows, brain-dead "reality" crap, and endless soaps.  :( They have plenty of these already, but mixed in are some gems that are actually worth watching.
New shows the likes of Top Gear, QI, Horizon, Red Dwarf, and Monty Python will never get made which will be a shame.
Additionally, the BBC will eventually get sold on to a company that has a particular political leaning and that will be the end of one of the few news sources to try to remain neutral.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #161 on: April 08, 2020, 09:45:32 am »
They also are funded by individual donations, corporate grants, fund raisers, etc.  So it is nowhere near 100% government funded.  Of course, trying to figure out how MUCH is government funding is apparently very difficult to determine.  Despite my [not terribly in-depth] research, I still don't know.  But I would guess it is more than 50%.

I'm not sure if there is controversy about the numbers they put out, but they (PBS) say 15% Federal funded. Now what year that's based on etc etc I don't know. So with State and local government adding to the mix it comes to around 31% and some small additional money from Universities some of which are surely Government funded.  The Corporation for Public Broadcasting is a Government created corporation which supports both PBS and NPR, I'm fairly certain that 100% of the corporation's money comes from the Federal government, but perhaps they have other assets I'm unaware of (i.e. too boring to research by me).

Although I'd hate to see PBS programing disappear, it's use of local broadcasting stations is becoming less and less relevant. As is broadcasting in general. At some point the money may be (depending on ones outlook of whether it should be spent at all) better spent on internet programming.

Here is some documentation I found but once I delved into it I started getting sleepy.  :P

https://www.cpb.org/files/aboutcpb/financials/audited/cpb_combinedstatements_fy19.pdf

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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #162 on: April 08, 2020, 10:38:56 am »
I'm back and fully liquored up so the party is over for now for ya'll....it's still in progress with me.  Let's keep this a clean fight with no hitting below the belt from anyone.  I'm going to read all this stuff and then make a determination on what I'm going to do with this thread or not.  I'm feeling much better now.


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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #163 on: April 08, 2020, 10:55:55 am »
Ok, I've read enough.  Topic locked.
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