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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2020, 03:55:15 am »
Miata?????  I could wear two of them on my feet.  My Indian weighs more than a Miata....

Must be difficult keeping them feet on the pegs of that Indian eh?    ;)
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2020, 06:05:13 am »
Not at all.  Like most modern motorcycles these days, I have floorboards instead of pegs.  Mind you, it took awhile to get used to them but I could never go back to pegs again or quiet bikes.  It's like a drug.


Was on the road for a trouble call in Southside VA yesterday when the govnor announced his 'You have to really stay at home now' message.  I'm not sure how they will enforce it yet if they even can.  Interstate travel was light on 95 and 85.  Very few out of state plates on the road.


I've got a pass if I'm stopped going to and from any work locations but it's for MD, not VA.  IT is considered essential in MD.  No word on how VA looks at it.  My wife and daughter have passes but they are in the medical professions.



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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2020, 03:06:14 pm »
Was on the road for a trouble call in Southside VA yesterday when the govnor announced his 'You have to really stay at home now' message.  I'm not sure how they will enforce it yet if they even can. 

Not quite sure if this means I shouldn't go out for my "weekend MC joy rides" or not at this point.  There is no interaction with anyone, not going to any destination.  But it isn't essential or to work.  Of course, if something went wrong (like an accident or breakdown, it would cause interaction; but that is a tiny probability).

Not sure the legality of such "orders", anyway, unless we have somehow magically suspended both the US and VA Constitutions (not that our "governor" or the majority of the legislature cares about the Constitutions).  I am happy to try and comply with the spirit of such orders, though.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #93 on: March 31, 2020, 04:32:37 pm »
Right- is that even legal under the US constitution? And if it is not, who is addressing or 'correcting' that misbehavior?

It is a slippery slope to be sure bit I fear we slid down that slope long ago and are not in a heap at the bottom of the mountain. The constitution is really quite simple and easy to read and understand. But it does seem more and more that, as you mentioned, we, or at least some segment(s) are just ignoring it.

VA has been quite the 'wake up' call in the US to anyone paying attention in the least. It used to be a state quite respectful of the constitution but after the last election, that has changed so abruptly and sharply that it should cause every American to take notice and be properly wary.

But back to the virus: we can go to the grocery store but not to our place of employment. OK but how would anyone know until 1) an LEO stopped a particular vehicle (if no probable cause, a violation of the fourth amendment) and asked that person where they were coming from and going to (violating several amendments to the constitution)? But it seems a lot of people, perhaps the majority, think this is OK because of the current crisis. They thought that too in Germany after the Reichstag burned and the Chancellor was given special, "temporary" power to avoid further 'mass bad behavior'. I guess it worked too 'cause there was little national interference afterward and Herr Hitler was free to 'do the right things'. After all, we should never let a social disaster go to waste.....

One does have to wonder though just how much damage a single motorcyclist can do by taking a ride. And then we have to wonder how much safer society is by preventing that ride in the first place.

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Not sure the legality of such "orders", anyway, unless we have somehow magically suspended both the US and VA Constitutions (not that our "governor" or the majority of the legislature cares about the Constitutions).  I am happy to try and comply with the spirit of such orders, though.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #94 on: March 31, 2020, 04:51:34 pm »
Max, according to what the guvnor stated...it's more of a need than a want thing.  If you just want to get out and let's say ride for the heck of it to Richmond then that's violating the intent of the order.  If you need to get take out in Richmond for dinner then that's ok.


Md just clarified that even though police are out looking for violators they aren't knocking on doors or stopping vehicles and asking for z papers please.  I think that they're just looking for crowds of people.


There's a preacher in Baltimore that's flaunting it essentially but less than 10 people and he's saying 'Can't touch this!' cause it's religion.  We'll see how far that goes as they've already arrested one moron just across the river from me.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #95 on: March 31, 2020, 05:19:33 pm »
In the grand scheme of viruses this is a lot of hype with not that much actual content.  Not that precautions shouldn't be taken, but I think we've crossed rather deeply into the absurd category with Covid-19.
Here's some graphs that give a different take on what the news media is feeding us.  Notice the huge spike in media coverage of this virus vs. recent others that supposedly threatened humanity.
https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/?fbclid=IwAR1F8vuK3OYEzoX1xBXCms0F6IqrwOs3W_Vy_aM0D8RCMuUm9qrzPTL69AI

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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #96 on: March 31, 2020, 05:40:26 pm »
RIDE..... it doesn't break the rules.... just don't stop and "touch anything, or breath on people... reality check".

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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #97 on: March 31, 2020, 08:07:26 pm »
Actually it does in the state of VA, MD, and DC if you are riding just to ride and get out of the house.  They aren't stopping people on the roads here....yet.  I'm not crazy about self isolating but if we all flaunt it (cause we ride motorcycles and it's our God given right to do so and don't tell us not to because we're special) and do what we want then the result may be more cases of the virus and get more than the max of 240k of possible deaths.  Personally I don't want to be in that statistic so I won't be riding because I want to.  It literally makes me sick to look at the bike in the garage and not go out on it.


The problem with this virus is that it's killing healthy people as well as the ones with underlying issues and as I'm approaching 64 I don't want to take any undo chances.  It may be I or one of you catch it anyway because so many people aren't self isolating.  This virus is not a joke.  There's a reason we have two Navy hospital ships on each coast at the moment in active duty or that we are essentially docking a carrier in the Pacific with 5000 sailors on board or that a company like Ford is now making respirators in a plant instead of vehicles. 


I just hope all of us stay safe and live to ride another day.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #98 on: April 01, 2020, 07:44:05 am »
In the grand scheme of viruses this is a lot of hype with not that much actual content.  Not that precautions shouldn't be taken, but I think we've crossed rather deeply into the absurd category with Covid-19.
Here's some graphs that give a different take on what the news media is feeding us.  Notice the huge spike in media coverage of this virus vs. recent others that supposedly threatened humanity.
https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/?fbclid=IwAR1F8vuK3OYEzoX1xBXCms0F6IqrwOs3W_Vy_aM0D8RCMuUm9qrzPTL69AI

Hype and absurdity? At this late date?

You have got to be kidding me!?!?!?!?!?

Wake the **** up Bruce!!!
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #99 on: April 01, 2020, 07:59:03 am »
My wife and I had to get groceries yesterday (the next time this is necessary I'll be doing it alone to limit our exposure). Wally's has senior hour from 6a to 7a on Tuesday for folks over 60, we got in line to enter at 6. We both wore masks and gloves.

For the most part we were able to get the stuff that we needed/wanted, no ice cream though, ice cream was completely sold out. No orange juice either.

Most people in the store maintained their distance but twice I had to tell someone to back away and get out of my space. One of them apologized, saying that he forgot. How do you forget?

What was worrisome for me was the fact that the employees didn't seem to be taking any kind or precautions, especially the cashiers. Very few of the workers wore gloves and none had masks on.

As I stood in the produce section, waiting for my wife to pick out stuff, I watched a employee stocking fruit. The man wore gloves but over and over I saw him wiping his nose and touching his face, with his gloves and then go right back to handling the fruit.

Up at the checkout lines the cashiers didn't distance themselves from customers, at all.

Good luck to you all.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #100 on: April 01, 2020, 08:04:22 am »
While the risk is lower with getting the virus from getting groceries and other stuff they are recommending that you sanitize by wiping off the surface or using soap and water on them if you can. 


I'm getting leery on getting mail out of the box or packages.  I open stuff up and then wash my hands again.  Why just recently I got my copy of American Iron and let it sit out for a few days and then wiped it down with wipes before I sat down to read it. 


Paranoia is running rampant and maybe for good reason at this point.
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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #101 on: April 01, 2020, 08:26:01 am »
Went Costco yesterday for senior hour. When I checked out confirming I did not want to box anything, they had me turn every product so the bar code was up. She scanned my CC while I held it and then scanned the products. The cashier and her assistant didn't touch a single thing. I thought was a great way of handling the checkout.  Of course, I didn't have the cart stuffed so everything was visible. All had gloves on, some masks, so when they had to handle bigger purchases they weren't touching barehanded. Not sure if that makes a difference, thou.

As far as riding, If there's an exception made for motorcycles, where do they stop making exceptions...? If you get in an injury accident, your fault or not, you end up tying up medical personnel and their PPE stuff. That said, I really want to get out & ride. Damn!

Colorado has stated they won't pull anyone over just to see if you are not observing the stay at home rules. Be glad you aren't in India. They will spray you with bleach, bitch slap the crap out of you or use a stout bamboo rod to whack the sh*t out of you if they think you're breaking their lock-down rules.

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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #102 on: April 01, 2020, 09:01:54 am »
In the grand scheme of viruses this is a lot of hype with not that much actual content.  Not that precautions shouldn't be taken, but I think we've crossed rather deeply into the absurd category with Covid-19.
Here's some graphs that give a different take on what the news media is feeding us.  Notice the huge spike in media coverage of this virus vs. recent others that supposedly threatened humanity.
https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/?fbclid=IwAR1F8vuK3OYEzoX1xBXCms0F6IqrwOs3W_Vy_aM0D8RCMuUm9qrzPTL69AI

Well yes, perhaps hyped up more than it should be. However the absurdity is that the hype is needed to break through to the thick headed people that would just go around infecting us all if the hype didn't exist. Sure maybe some of it is politically motivated, however I feel the media is doing us all a service by the hyping. Yes they want viewers and readers so that their advertising is seen, so they run with what they think people want to know about. However despite whatever political agenda or business model is driving the hype, the sad part is that without the hype, things would be much worse. Now as for the data presented on that site, I have a little trouble with the total mentions in the media numbers. The HIV section, are those just recent numbers?...because I remember huge numbers of stories and yes hype if you will, especially after AIDS/HIV crossed over into the Hetero' population.

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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #103 on: April 01, 2020, 11:09:57 am »
Hype and absurdity? At this late date?

You have got to be kidding me!?!?!?!?!?

Wake the **** up Bruce!!!
I am fully awake, and capable of seeing raw numbers vs. population, and looking at rates of cure and other factors and drawing a conclusion.  If you made an effort to look at ANY of the material I presented you might see why I hold the opinion I do.  Not that you have to believe what I believe, but I do resent that you somehow think I'm uninformed for being unimpressed by the measures put into place.  Do we really need to shut down an entire nation for a virus with a 98.5% cure rate?  Look at the number of times Covid-19 is mentioned in media vs. all other viruses and tell me again it's not a lot of hype and fear mongering?  Or keep yourself up at night worrying, and listening to the bleating talking heads on tv who spin numbers to make things seem more grave than they really are.

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Re: Corona virus.... the gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #104 on: April 01, 2020, 02:02:48 pm »
Other observations:
 Many in the past would write about young people not interacting face to face enough. They would rather interact on their phones through social media. This was criticized, commented on, and fretted over by mostly people in my age group (ol' farts). Now we've come full circle calling them careless and selfish and fool hardy for interacting with each other face to face on the beach and at parties and gatherings.
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I'm still getting the mailings from seminars and meetings which include a free meal at a local restaurant for things like retirement info, investment info, retirement living places, lakeside living developments and medicare seminars. (no timeshare offers thank goodness)
These things were all mailed this week and yet the restaurants haven't been open except for carry out for at least two weeks in my area.
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I remember years ago when it was considered a bit bizarre (well at least very different) when they had drive in church services at the local drive in movie theaters. Now that it would really make sense to do so, we don't have hardly any drive ins any more.

Just observations, no real points to be made here.