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« Reply #140 on: May 29, 2020, 12:37:09 pm »
Graduation ceremonies were cancelled in most places. Why didn't  they get the students in line standing at the spots marked on the floor at Wal-Mart and announce the names over the speakers?
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« Reply #141 on: May 29, 2020, 01:45:36 pm »
Graduation ceremonies were cancelled in most places. Why didn't  they get the students in line standing at the spots marked on the floor at Wal-Mart and announce the names over the speakers?
Or parade them through Home Depot...

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« Reply #142 on: May 31, 2020, 07:17:06 am »
The testing is ridiculous if you ask me. One of the hospitals I work at is requiring vendors to have 2 negative tests at least 7 days apart before they are allowed back. I have had both tests. I figured it was going to be like the flu test. Had that done once. It wasn’t to bad. The original Covid test was pretty bad. They shove the swab in your nose, completely thru your sinus cavity into the back of your throat, and they do it up both nostrils. Makes the second one worse because you know what to expect. 

After that, I searched out who was doing the new test. That one was just like the flu test. Wasn’t bad at all. In between the two nasal swab tests, I found a lab that was doing the antibody testing. I had a really bad cold in February and thought maybe it was Covid. I was thinking, maybe if  I have the antibodies, I wouldn’t have to get the second swab (before I found the new, less invasive testing). Well, all three test ended up being negative.

This really surprised me because I have been exposed at least three times that I know of. All three times were medical office staff that I work closely with. Problem is that it takes 5-6 days for symptoms to develop before someone knows they are sick. Then, at the time I was exposed, it was taking 5-6 days to get the results back. By the time someone found out they had tested positive, it was almost over since it typically only lasts 14 days.

Now, back to the hospital policy being ridiculous... how does having two negative test from 1-2 weeks ago prove I didn’t catch it any time after I was tested?!?!

Without getting political, the government handled this completely bass ackward. It is the first time in history that the healthy people were quarantined. I know my opinion counts for absolutely nothing, but I think they should have quarantined the elderly and those with underlying conditions and allowed those who are young and healthy to continue working. If you get sick, stay home. That is what sick days are for. When you recover, go back to work. Let it run its course and allow people to build an immunity to it. One of the guys I work with tested positive for the antibody test and never had symptoms. He has no idea when he was exposed. Oh, and the hospital wouldn’t except those test results. He still had to get 2 swabs done as well. Just to prove he didn’t have it last week.
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« Reply #143 on: May 31, 2020, 07:45:35 am »
Without getting political, the government handled this completely bass ackward. It is the first time in history that the healthy people were quarantined. I know my opinion counts for absolutely nothing, but I think they should have quarantined the elderly and those with underlying conditions and allowed those who are young and healthy to continue working. If you get sick, stay home.
And if you're asymptomatic? How many people are running around infecting others and not knowing? It only takes one.
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That is what sick days are for. When you recover, go back to work.

Assuming you haven't shut down your entire workplace by infecting everyone before you realise you're even sick.
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Let it run its course and allow people to build an immunity to it.
It is running its course. That's why a hundred thousand of you are dead. How many deaths are acceptable to give the remainder herd immunity?
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One of the guys I work with tested positive for the antibody test and never had symptoms. He has no idea when he was exposed.
And no idea if he infected anyone else. It only takes one.
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« Reply #144 on: May 31, 2020, 08:08:39 am »
And if you're asymptomatic? How many people are running around infecting others and not knowing? It only takes one.
Assuming you haven't shut down your entire workplace by infecting everyone before you realise you're even sick.It is running its course. That's why a hundred thousand of you are dead. How many deaths are acceptable to give the remainder herd immunity?And no idea if he infected anyone else. It only takes one.
I guess you missed the part where I said to quarantine those who are elderly or have other underlying conditions that would make catching it more dangerous. I also said to let those that are young and otherwise healthy go back to work. It won’t help anyone if those that need to stay home due to underlying health conditions don’t have a job to go back to when this is over due to businesses shutting down. Let the young healthy people keep things running for those that can’t.
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« Reply #145 on: May 31, 2020, 08:13:41 am »
And if you're asymptomatic? How many people are running around infecting others and not knowing? It only takes one.
Assuming you haven't shut down your entire workplace by infecting everyone before you realise you're even sick.It is running its course. That's why a hundred thousand of you are dead. How many deaths are acceptable to give the remainder herd immunity?And no idea if he infected anyone else. It only takes one.
No matter your view, bottom line is that the majority of the ones that are dying from the virus (actually from the virus) are elderly or have underlying health conditions and are NOT following the guidelines of quarantine.
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« Reply #146 on: May 31, 2020, 09:02:04 am »
No, I didn't miss anything. Just because it mostly affects the elderly and infirm, doesn't mean it isn't killing young otherwise healthy people. Who is going to look after the elderly and the sick in quarantine? How will they survive if only the young are allowed to work? How will they shop? Where will they get money? Socialism?  ::)

No matter your view, bottom line is that the majority of the ones that are dying from the virus (actually from the virus) are elderly or have underlying health conditions and are NOT following the guidelines of quarantine.
My view is from Australia, where we have one hundred and three dead.
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« Reply #147 on: May 31, 2020, 09:47:32 am »
Plenty of places here to order groceries and have them delivered. Antiseptic wipes to clean the items delivered. Then wash hands. Retirement age folks should have everything already worked out financially, be it what they saved, social security, pensions, government assistance, etc. Having the government give 100% support those with underlying health conditions would be astronomically cheaper than what they have been doing. The amount of young healthy people that are dying from the virus is EXTREMELY low and most likely are due to undiagnosed underlying conditions they were unaware of. The problem here in the US is the fact that the numbers have been extremely skewed. There have been people dying of auto accidents, and other unrelated causes that tested positive for Covid and were added into the death poll.

I have been at Lowe’s (home improvement store - not sure if you have them there) and seen a lot of people easily 70 years old and up, not wearing masks, running all thru the store in electric scooters, with flowers for flower beads, BBQ supplies, and other unnecessary supplies in their carts. That store is always completely packed with people because it is one of the few places open during the shut down. Point I’m making, is there are ways for those that want to protect themselves to do so. It’s a free country so what people choose to do or not do is their business. Since when is it the government’s job to tell businesses or citizens when they can or can not work, go to the store, etc? The choices we make are our own and we deal with the benefits and risks we take with everything else. Why should this be any different. Put correct info about the virus out there and let people make their own decisions. 
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« Reply #148 on: May 31, 2020, 10:24:10 am »
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« Reply #149 on: May 31, 2020, 04:16:46 pm »
Now, back to the hospital policy being ridiculous... how does having two negative test from 1-2 weeks ago prove I didn’t catch it any time after I was tested?!?!

Bingo.  It doesn't.
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« Reply #150 on: May 31, 2020, 04:32:01 pm »
And if you're asymptomatic? How many people are running around infecting others and not knowing? It only takes one.

Which you will not catch by testing people even every day.

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How many deaths are acceptable to give the remainder herd immunity?

How many deaths will happen regardless?  How many deaths will happen and have already happened due to lockdown with people not seeking medical care, not willing or able to get regular preventative care, with increased suicides, and who-knows-what if the economy totally fizzles out?  The lockdowns were supposed to be short (couple of weeks), temporary measures to prevent overwhelming healthcare facilities and should have been based on localities with such a threat.  Not whole States, and certainly not for months.

Remember that around half of all deaths have been due to nursing home residents not being properly protected, and in some cases (like NY) put at far worse risk due to horrible policies.  Almost all the remainder were high-risk, who are the ones who should be isolating and taking extra precautions until an effective treatment or vaccine is available.  Locking down of everyone else, once we knew what was going on, was/is insanity.

With the exception of those who can't care for themselves, everyone has remarkable control over preventing their own infection with relatively simple hygiene measures.  They can judge their own risk and should be free to take whatever measures they deem appropriate for themselves, but not for others.
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« Reply #151 on: May 31, 2020, 05:58:50 pm »
Which you will not catch by testing people even every day.

How many deaths will happen regardless?  How many deaths will happen and have already happened due to lockdown with people not seeking medical care, not willing or able to get regular preventative care, with increased suicides, and who-knows-what if the economy totally fizzles out?  The lockdowns were supposed to be short (couple of weeks), temporary measures to prevent overwhelming healthcare facilities and should have been based on localities with such a threat.  Not whole States, and certainly not for months.

Remember that around half of all deaths have been due to nursing home residents not being properly protected, and in some cases (like NY) put at far worse risk due to horrible policies.  Almost all the remainder were high-risk, who are the ones who should be isolating and taking extra precautions until an effective treatment or vaccine is available.  Locking down of everyone else, once we knew what was going on, was/is insanity.

With the exception of those who can't care for themselves, everyone has remarkable control over preventing their own infection with relatively simple hygiene measures.  They can judge their own risk and should be free to take whatever measures they deem appropriate for themselves, but not for others.

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« Reply #152 on: May 31, 2020, 09:39:08 pm »
Locking down of everyone else, once we knew what was going on, was/is insanity.
I personally believe that Jim Henson is still alive and making politicians in a basement somewhere.
Despite the contempt we have for our particular muppets, we agree that they actually managed to work together for the good of the country. Australians have an innate sense of 'a fair go' and after a bit of a stumble at the starting blocks we cheered them on as they did what was in our interests and not necessarily theirs. At that stage your leaders were still in the changerooms.
Yes our economy has taken a hit, but we can rebuild that. More important is that so far we lost only 103 poor souls along the way. It helps that we have universal healthcare and social security - without being even remotely communist.
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With the exception of those who can't care for themselves, everyone has remarkable control over preventing their own infection with relatively simple hygiene measures.  They can judge their own risk and should be free to take whatever measures they deem appropriate for themselves, but not for others.
I think you're giving them waaaay to much credit.
Excuse me for being smug, but we're sitting here inside our closed state borders, watching what happens when 'muh freedoms' comes up against the greater good. And we're genuinely surprised that you haven't full on started shooting each other - yet.
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« Reply #153 on: May 31, 2020, 11:01:52 pm »
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With the exception of those who can't care for themselves, everyone has remarkable control over preventing their own infection with relatively simple hygiene measures.  They can judge their own risk and should be free to take whatever measures they deem appropriate for themselves, but not for others.
I think you're giving them waaaay to much credit.

Giving who too much credit?  Adult citizens?  So, they should be treated like children by the government and told what to wear, when to work, where they can go, and with whom to associate?  Where does that end?  I propose that is not the role nor the mission of government, certainly not in the USA.

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Excuse me for being smug, but we're sitting here inside our closed state borders, watching what happens when 'muh freedoms' comes up against the greater good.

Then forgive me for being smug, but where you sit, you are in apparently no position to judge what it is like to have freedom.  And freedom DOES serve the greater good, although it comes risk and responsibility.  If you don't want freedom, that is fine, you can submit to whatever authorities you want, but don't assume that is the best course of action or try to take freedoms away from others.

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And we're genuinely surprised that you haven't full on started shooting each other - yet.

I hope your "we're" doesn't presuppose you are speaking for all Australians.  Based on such a comment, you have no idea what it is like to live here.  Hint: it isn't what the media apparently portray, nor the movies.  But here are some things to ponder while you pass judgement on the USA:  Australia has a contact crime victimization rate that is more than double that of the USA.  And Australia, which has virtually banned gun ownership (which, incidentally, had no effect on gun crime rate), has the highest rates of robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force of the top 17 industrialized countries.

So "we're" genuinely surprised that you haven't full on started robbing, raping, and assaulting each other - yet.

Do you wish to continue with such nonsense, or stick to a rational discussion of COVID-19?
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« Reply #154 on: June 01, 2020, 12:09:01 am »
I'm out. You have retreated to your safe place. I say something critical and you say we banned guns, therefore we don't know what freedom is. I might not be as "free" as you, but I'm not as afraid either.


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« Reply #155 on: June 01, 2020, 05:26:55 am »
Well, well, well.  I think that yet another CV thread has run it's course..
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