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Offline TownsendsFJR1300

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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2011, 03:06:53 pm »
The FJR does have a lower seat height and you can see behind you using the mirrors.  I looked at 1/3 of my shoulders ridng my friends 09 Concours. 

BTW, that 09 Concours was hotter than my 04 FJR... A limited # of 03-05's did have exhaust valve guides that would fail over time and cause the dreaded tick...  Yamaha, even thou the bike is way out of warranty, WILL FIX the valve guides to this day... 

 The Gen I FJR will power wheelie in the first 2 gears (not using the clutch) and requires valve checks at 25,000 miles, not 7,500 miles.  The Gen II is geared slightly higher for lower RPMs on the highway but has basically the same engine...

Having worked on both the Concours and several FJR's (Gen I and Gen II's), the FJR is easier to work on having a gas tank that tilts up after removing 2 bolts...  The Concours is a little bit quicker, however I don't want all the bells and whistles, just more things to break down the road if you keep the bike... 
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2011, 06:00:26 pm »
 :popcorn:

I love my C10...but the leaves are changing...the nights are getting cooler...and the prices on '08 C14s are coming down...they are still $2k above an '05 FJR (yes, I've been watching both)...but, nothing's frozen yet...so, we'll just have to see...as things get colder...what comes along...

I have to admit...a $5k '08 C14 might just make me pull the trigger!
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2011, 07:22:37 am »
..... The C14 had  almost everything I wanted, I wish it had a 7.7 gas tank like the ST1300 and of course a cruise control.
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2011, 07:42:47 am »
The FJR does have a lower seat height and you can see behind you using the mirrors.  I looked at 1/3 of my shoulders ridng my friends 09 Concours.
I drove both bikes and liked the FJR in one or two aspects (engine sound and looks, for instance) very much, but the C14 was clearly the winner, for the reasons already mentioned, plus wind protection for the passenger is better (so I've been told by my better half).

The Gen I FJR will power wheelie in the first 2 gears (not using the clutch) and requires valve checks at 25,000 miles, not 7,500 miles.  The Gen II is geared slightly higher for lower RPMs on the highway but has basically the same engine...
I'm not sure I understand what you imply:
a) that the FJR Gen I needs valve check at 7500 miles ---> wow!
b) that the C14 needs valve check at 7500 miles ---> incorrect: 26000 miles

Having worked on both the Concours and several FJR's (Gen I and Gen II's), the FJR is easier to work on having a gas tank that tilts up after removing 2 bolts...  The Concours is a little bit quicker, however I don't want all the bells and whistles, just more things to break down the road if you keep the bike...
I keep the bike, and the bells and whistles have not changed one bit so far, braking down or otherwise.

All that said, I wouldn't hesitate jumping on a FJR for a good price if I was shopping around. Yes, 6th gear is neat, but not a deal braker. We are buying bikes, not wash machines, and taste or "clicking" with this or that model plays a huge roll.
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2011, 06:15:15 am »
I drove both bikes and liked the FJR in one or two aspects (engine sound and looks, for instance) very much, but the C14 was clearly the winner, for the reasons already mentioned, plus wind protection for the passenger is better (so I've been told by my better half).
I'm not sure I understand what you imply:
a) that the FJR Gen I needs valve check at 7500 miles ---> wow!
b) that the C14 needs valve check at 7500 miles ---> incorrect: 26000 miles
I keep the bike, and the bells and whistles have not changed one bit so far, braking down or otherwise.

All that said, I wouldn't hesitate jumping on a FJR for a good price if I was shopping around. Yes, 6th gear is neat, but not a deal braker. We are buying bikes, not wash machines, and taste or "clicking" with this or that model plays a huge roll.


That's not what I posted, please re-read... 

The FJR does NOT require valve check/adjustments until 25,000 miles. 

I've driven two stock Concours and found with the stock windshield, protection is great up to my chest, non existant above that.  My stock winshield on my 04 FJR provides considerably much more protection. 

As for the gen I's (03-05) some of them had bad exhaust valve guides that causing the dreaded tick...  So far mine has not...    BTW, Yamaha to this date, even thou my bike is way out of warranty, will STILL REPAIR the guides should they fail...  As for another gear, it would be nice, but the bike has enough torque and doesn't need it.  For me, the bike sits lower than the Concours however the Concours is a little quicker, shifts smoother however it is 6 years newer with newer technology.  I keep my bikes so I personally don't want all the extra goodies that may eventually need fixing/repair.  My brakes are not linked nor did I order it with ABS. KISS.  Much easier to flush brakes, maintain, etc.  I am the only one to wrench on my bikes (not counting a local Honda dealer who screwed up my last, 04 Goldwing).  I will not own another Honda after dealing with Honda corp as they tried to get out repairing a new oil leak (among other things) caused by the dealership.  A lawsuit threat finally got things fixed at another dealership...

I currently own two Yamaha's (04 FJR and an 07 FZ6) and have also owned several Kawasaki's to include a black/gold 2000 ZRX 1100 and several KLR's that I have gotten over 100,000 miles between the ZRX, 2 KLR 250's and a KLR 650,  so I consider myself fairly knowledgable in both.   Both KLR's have been torn down for engine repairs, The 1989 250, every 32,000 miles would have the left crank roller bearing fail-a compleat engine tear down at 32,000 and again at 64,000 miles.  My last 2005 250, with 28,000 miles had the same bearing start to fail.  I loved the bike but I'm done rebuilding the engine every 32,000 miles....

I have worked on several Concours as well as "MIST's" two FJR's and another friends FJR. 

For me, I prefer the FJR, for others the Concours is a great bike, just not my style... 

BTW, there are numerous FJR's that gone well over 100,000 miles without any major repairs, a pretty good track record.  I'd be curious how well the Concours does once its 8 years old...
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2011, 09:28:11 pm »
thanks to this forum, I realized the FJR1300 existed. I really like the blue '05. I like my C10, but ever since riding that C14 I can't get the taste of the instant power out of my mouth. tell me why, if I DO upgrade, I should NOT buy a FJR? is it a good bike? I like the twin pipes over the C14 plus, I saw an '05 for $5500 on ebay.
If your gonna get an FJR, I'd recommend an '06 or newer. They gave it a refresh, and took care of the heat issues. But yes it does only have a 5 speed tranny  ???

Both bikes are great rides, but considering you are posting on a Concours owners forum, which one do you think we are gonna recommend?? ;)

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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2011, 05:55:02 am »
If your gonna get an FJR, I'd recommend an '06 or newer. They gave it a refresh, and took care of the heat issues. But yes it does only have a 5 speed tranny  ???

Both bikes are great rides, but considering you are posting on a Concours owners forum, which one do you think we are gonna recommend?? ;)

Just my $0.2

Someone asked about the FJR, I responded and gave my opinions. One respondant took part of my response out of text (which was NOT approprate, but expected- :(   ). 

As this is a Concours forum, of course I know how folks are going to re-act, its the same on any FJR forum...

No bike is perfect, read the tech section on any bike forum, (including here and the FJR sites) there are problems and usually fixes... 

BTW, as a favor to MIST, (a Concours owner), I designed and manufactured a helmet lock bracket specific for the Concours (as I do for all FJR's and have a distributor for BMW's-"Pirates Lair), non of which have a keyed helmet lock.  He wanted a mounted to the frame, lock assembly that he could re-key to fit the ignition.  Using a Helmet Guardian assembly, I made him one and a couple extra's..

There are still a couple left, after that, their discontinued (under dealer accesssory section). 

        Ride safe...

 
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2011, 09:03:14 pm »
I'm a connie man, but there are a lot of FJR's in the Iron Butt's.  They can eat the miles.  I like a few curves in my miles, which is what led me to the connie.
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2011, 09:32:39 pm »
I'm a connie man, but there are a lot of FJR's in the Iron Butt's.  They can eat the miles.  I like a few curves in my miles, which is what led me to the connie.
The FJR is an older model therefore there's bound to be more of them on the road and hence in iron butt logs.  I personally know 3 guys who jumped on the FJR from the C10 because Kawasaki was slow to update the Concours.  As was said, both are fine bikes and I seriously considered an FJR but I thought my wife would be more comfy on the C14.

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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2011, 04:48:10 pm »

That's not what I posted, please re-read... 

The FJR does NOT require valve check/adjustments until 25,000 miles. 

Hi again,
I obviously read your post a few times, but I still didn't make out what you meant. Hence my question: why did you write "and requires valve checks at 25,000 miles, not 7,500 miles."? It is clear that you mean that the FJR needs the valve job at 25 k miles, but why the reference to 7,500 miles? That's the part I didn't get. It seems that by exclusion you believe that the C14 needs a valve job at 7500 miles, which is the part that I think is not correct, my number being 26,000 miles or 42,000 km according to my manual. Care to elaborate? :)
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2011, 07:17:08 pm »
Hi again,
I obviously read your post a few times, but I still didn't make out what you meant. Hence my question: why did you write "and requires valve checks at 25,000 miles, not 7,500 miles."? It is clear that you mean that the FJR needs the valve job at 25 k miles, but why the reference to 7,500 miles? That's the part I didn't get. It seems that by exclusion you believe that the C14 needs a valve job at 7500 miles, which is the part that I think is not correct, my number being 26,000 miles or 42,000 km according to my manual. Care to elaborate? :)

The US owners manual says 15,000 miles.

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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2011, 12:19:57 am »
The US owners manual says 15,000 miles.

Yeah, I've heard of that. Once, on the phone with Kawasaki Germany regarding some vibs on the handlebar, I asked them that and they didn't know. Anybody? As far as I know, the valve train, etc, are identical...  ???
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2011, 03:57:40 am »
Can you say EPA?
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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2011, 09:32:39 am »
Can you say EPA?

But this still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's not like Europe doesn't also have air quality regulations. In any case I'm using the Europe standard. My C14 has almost 22,000 on it now and I haven't checked the valves yet. I plan to do it this winter sometime.

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Re: woops, found out about the FJR
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2011, 12:32:01 am »
Can you say EPA?

Sure, as long as the words "screw the" are in front of it. ;D
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