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Re: Symmetrical
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2011, 05:59:17 pm »
I once saw a signature in someone's post on the Internet that addressed situations like yours.... oh wait, it is YOUR signature.

"Blame no one, Expect nothing, Do something!!!"

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I don't blame anyone but myself, It was my decsion to buy this bike and mine alone. I do love the bike but I have had a very bad experince with Kawasaki. I am sure many have had a great experience or they would not be selling bikes like they do.

I am doing something, the entire fairings are off the bike so I can figure out why it is not straight and I can fix the buzzing in the console. I will be trying some of the things I have read about on this forum and thank who ever posted them for that. I have also sent a formal complaint to Kawasaki concerning two of their dealerships, one who took 10 days to fix a final drive while I was stuck in a hotel, and the other who put my bike back together incorrectly and left out parts like the inside winshield bolts which I discovered today while taking the bike apart.

You are right that I should not expect much but I think almost $10,000 gives me the right to expect basic services from the company who built the bike. I do stand by the statement about Honda, but I am not complaining as much as I was wondering if anyone else thought the same about their experince with Kawasaki, I guess I should of stated that it was just my opinion and really is only important to me and my decsion making process when I decide to buy a different bike.

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Re: Symmetrical
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2011, 07:55:09 pm »
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My basic point was that coming to a Kawasaki Concours forum and lamenting how much better another brand is does not seem to be a reasonable course of action. I would not go to a Valkerie forum and comment how much better my C-14 is regardless of the fact that I feel it is so.

No ill will nor hard feelings toward you but I find the C-14 to be just about ideal and I am simply not going to agree that Honda makes a better product. Both of us may be but one of us must be wrong: I just do not think this is the venue where you can win with a pro- Honda, con- Kawasaki opinion.

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I don't blame anyone but myself, It was my decsion to buy this bike and mine alone. I do love the bike but I have had a very bad experince with Kawasaki. I am sure many have had a great experience or they would not be selling bikes like they do.

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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2011, 07:58:53 pm »
I'm not a Kawasaki fanboy either, but I've had more motorcycles than I can count and this C14 is the only one I've had ZERO *issues* with ( >41,000 miles).
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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2011, 08:02:45 pm »
Most things bolted to the bike are somewhat 'negotiable' in the specific position they occupy. Virtually all of the holes for fasteners have some clearance and the entire bike is the result of these tolerance / clearance stack-ups. So in reality I don't think your thoughts regarding symmetry are stupid, in fact it is almost surprising that anything bolted together from so many pieces could be straight.

The basic frame and frame parts should be reasonably close to in-line, and there is not much to be done to align those parts anyway. I would do what others have said and take a good look at the bike from the back and see if you can notice what seems to be out of alignment. It might be something very simple like the handlebars were biased to one side when they were tightened; the handlebar stanchions have a fair amount of clearance and if both sides were pushed in opposite directions when the fasteners were tightened, that along might make the bike seem a bit crooked.

Of course it is certainly possible that some component(s) are out of tolerance or not correctly bolted to the bike. Unfortunately I do not know of any method or technique to determine this other than very careful measurement from some fixed points on the frame.

Best of luck finding the problem and with a little luck, it will be something fairly straightforward and isolated.

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Ok stupid question time... When you sit on your C14 and are riding in a straight line, are the bars, front forks and fairing all lined up symmetrically? Something seems slightly off to me.

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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2011, 08:07:10 pm »
I'm not a Kawasaki fanboy either, but I've had more motorcycles than I can count and this C14 is the only one I've had ZERO *issues* with ( >41,000 miles).

Thats cool, I too have owned tons of motorcycles, lots of brands and have never had to take one in for a warranty issue until now and that goes back to 1976. It also includes my ill fated attempt to own a HD. Again I love the bike but if you cant express your frustration with the COMPANY on the forum that makes the bike, then I guess you are just suppose to shut up and go away quietly. I am not that type. Kawasaki has heard from me by phone and now in writing, maybe they look at this forum occassionaly. Who knows.

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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2011, 08:18:12 pm »
Actually, I believe you can express about anything you want here to the best of my knowledge. I am not a moderator but I have not seen many posts or thread deleted.

But you will have to accept the fact that there will be opposing opinions. Your experience with motorcycles is general and the C-14 in particular is not statistically relevant. You are also combining experiences with the product and dealers and lumping them all into one as if they were one entity; they are not.

Honda had a fairly nasty problem with Goldwing frames cracking but they corrected that problem, fixed the existing bikes under warranty and moved on. The <relatively> few people who actually owned one with a cracked frame might complain endlessly about Honda, Honda's dealers, Alcoa aluminum and whatever company made the electricity that was used to make the original, poor quality welds. Still, Honda has an excellent reputation for reliability and those few cases cannot offset tens of thousands of trouble- free products.

I think the C-14 is a fantastic bike. I too have had some warranty issues but they were all resolved to my satisfaction and I have moved on, now having past 73K miles and ridden the bike from one coast to the other and back without incident.

It is sorta' like 'Point, counterpoint'. This is the part where I would say "Jane, you ignorant slut!" if I was Dan Akroyd.

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Thats cool, I too have owned tons of motorcycles, lots of brands and have never had to take one in for a warranty issue until now and that goes back to 1976. It also includes my ill fated attempt to own a HD. Again I love the bike but if you cant express your frustration with the COMPANY on the forum that makes the bike, then I guess you are just suppose to shut up and go away quietly. I am not that type. Kawasaki has heard from me by phone and now in writing, maybe they look at this forum occassionaly. Who knows.
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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2011, 03:37:12 pm »
Actually, I believe you can express about anything you want here to the best of my knowledge. I am not a moderator but I have not seen many posts or thread deleted.

But you will have to accept the fact that there will be opposing opinions. Your experience with motorcycles is general and the C-14 in particular is not statistically relevant. You are also combining experiences with the product and dealers and lumping them all into one as if they were one entity; they are not.

Honda had a fairly nasty problem with Goldwing frames cracking but they corrected that problem, fixed the existing bikes under warranty and moved on. The <relatively> few people who actually owned one with a cracked frame might complain endlessly about Honda, Honda's dealers, Alcoa aluminum and whatever company made the electricity that was used to make the original, poor quality welds. Still, Honda has an excellent reputation for reliability and those few cases cannot offset tens of thousands of trouble- free products.

I think the C-14 is a fantastic bike. I too have had some warranty issues but they were all resolved to my satisfaction and I have moved on, now having past 73K miles and ridden the bike from one coast to the other and back without incident.

It is sorta' like 'Point, counterpoint'. This is the part where I would say "Jane, you ignorant slut!" if I was Dan Akroyd.

Brian

Are you sure the problems are not statistically relevant. I would think to determine that you would need to view the stats. The only people who know how many warranty issues the c-14 has work for Kawasaki and they are not publishing them, or at least not the real ones. I had two different Kawasaki Customer service people tell me on the phone thay they know their is a problem with Kawasaki final drives leaking. The first one was talking to me about the dealer in Las Vegas who did not have the correct tool to change out the bearing he stated, The tool is a required tool for Kawasaki dealers. You would think with all the problems with this issue the dealer would have one even if it was not required. The second was was a supervisor who I spoke to after I got home his statment was, "Kawasaki knows there is an issue with them (final drives) leaking and they are looking at it." In qoutes because they are his exact words minus the final drive. Also check out some of the issues on other Kawasaki bikes with this problem.

I have rode coast to coast several times with out a problem, the last time on a bike with 70k plus when I started. I just tried to take the trip of a life time from central Florida to Alaska and back. I had problems and was stuck first because a bike with 10K had and issue and stuck longer 10 days instead of the usual four because both the dealer and the Kawasaki Customer service were incompetent. I don't consider this general. it is very specific to my experoience.

With all that said I am not trashing the bike, I like it and bought it because I believe it was the best bang for the buck. My original statement was a question I have been asking myself as I have never had the number of issues on a new bike that I have had with this one and my statement was about my experience with Kawasaki overall not the bike alone.

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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2011, 03:48:23 pm »
You know, my bike looks a little off kilter but it rides fine.  It's only been down once and it fell on me so I don't think it was that.  Doesn't affect handling or anything else.  I ain't worried about it.
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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2011, 04:34:16 pm »
You know, my bike looks a little off kilter but it rides fine.  It's only been down once and it fell on me so I don't think it was that.  Doesn't affect handling or anything else.  I ain't worried about it.

Mine rides absolutely perfect so Im not gonna mess with it...I was just curious if it was a common thing that the bars were slightly skewed or if there was an adjustment under there I had not found yet...  :)
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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2011, 06:12:26 pm »
The bars are not adjustable but there IS a lot of clearance around the bolts so the bars can be biased a fair amount in both directions (away from center). You might want to loosen the handlebar stanchions and try moving the bars to a more central position; there are three bolts holding each one on and they are very easy to get to so it is an easy thing to try.

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Mine rides absolutely perfect so Im not gonna mess with it...I was just curious if it was a common thing that the bars were slightly skewed or if there was an adjustment under there I had not found yet...  :)
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2011, 06:25:01 pm »
The bars are not adjustable but there IS a lot of clearance around the bolts so the bars can be biased a fair amount in both directions (away from center). You might want to loosen the handlebar stanchions and try moving the bars to a more central position; there are three bolts holding each one on and they are very easy to get to so it is an easy thing to try.

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I will check it out... I put risers on my FJR back in the day so I was assuming there might be some play... every time I get near the C14 I just wanna go ride, I go out the the shop to look at it or check something and I just end up getting on and riding instead  :o
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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2011, 05:18:26 am »
You know, my bike looks a little off kilter but it rides fine.  It's only been down once and it fell on me so I don't think it was that.  Doesn't affect handling or anything else.  I ain't worried about it.

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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2011, 04:18:25 pm »
Why don't we discuss that in person next year at some point over multiple beers.
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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2011, 04:22:44 pm »
Yeah, the liquid in the glass tilts if you put your drink on the fuel tank and the bike is on the sidestand. It looks wrong but is perfectly normal....  ;D

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Re: Symmetrical, forks and fairings?
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2011, 04:54:19 am »
Why don't we discuss that in person next year at some point over multiple beers.

You're on! Then we can both be off kilter.
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