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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2011, 09:54:23 am »
Sparkie,
 While I think the OP has it under control.
 I and others appreciate the Post on the Jetting. Especially the Down to Sea Level info.
 Main Jets are only $1.60 from one of my suppliers.
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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2011, 10:56:36 am »
I and others appreciate the Post on the Jetting. Especially the Down to Sea Level info.
 Main Jets are only $1.60 from one of my suppliers.

Good Point, and those $1.60 jets actually come with legible numbers on them.
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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2011, 11:09:40 am »
Good Point, and those $1.60 jets actually come with legible numbers on them.

I have no problem at all buying a jet kit from someone like Steve who has done all the work including dyno time. I could blindly start buying jets and changing them but I have no access to a dyno where I live. The small price I paid was well worth it for the results and performance gains. Mark

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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2011, 11:22:44 am »
I have no problem at all buying a jet kit from someone like Steve who has done all the work including dyno time. I could blindly start buying jets and changing them but I have no access to a dyno where I live. The small price I paid was well worth it for the results and performance gains. Mark

If you are happy with that, great. IMO if I purchase a part, it's mine I paid for it and it should come with all markings and numbers intact.

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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2011, 12:30:20 pm »
Hey, you wanna do all the work I've done to replicate my work? knock yourselves out. Keep in mind the time I've spent, the WBO2 sensor I purchased, the dyno time I paid for, and the tester bikes I've worked on or provided parts to. Keep in mind that nobody would get the benefit of the 2 minute mod jetting had I not stumbled onto it while dyno testing, and worked it though, as the whole concept of blocking the intake to make more power is completely against common intuitive sense. Do I make money when I sell a jet kit? Yes I do. I worked for that money. When you go to work, you expect to get paid, why would you expect less from me?
   Also, if you don't feel my product works, or is to expensive, or you don't need it, whatever, just don't buy it. Simple as that. Steve

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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2011, 01:03:04 pm »
Hey, you wanna do all the work I've done to replicate my work? knock yourselves out. Keep in mind the time I've spent, the WBO2 sensor I purchased, the dyno time I paid for, and the tester bikes I've worked on or provided parts to. Keep in mind that nobody would get the benefit of the 2 minute mod jetting had I not stumbled onto it while dyno testing, and worked it though, as the whole concept of blocking the intake to make more power is completely against common intuitive sense. Do I make money when I sell a jet kit? Yes I do. I worked for that money. When you go to work, you expect to get paid, why would you expect less from me?
   Also, if you don't feel my product works, or is to expensive, or you don't need it, whatever, just don't buy it. Simple as that. Steve

Steve, I have no doubt that you sell a good product. I would probably purchase it and give it a try, if you did like Dynojet, Dale Walker, Factory and gave me a starting point if I wanted to deviate from what you had determined to be the ideal settings for you. I stand by my original opinion, if I buy a part I should be entitled to know what that part is, the numbers on any given part should not be ground off. I will not buy a jet kit with the numbers ground off just like I will not buy a motorcycle with the numbers ground off.
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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2011, 01:33:05 pm »
AND those manufacturers have thier own jet numbering system, AND if you are buying jets for thier kits you have to buy the new jets from them, and they're NOT 1.60 ea. Besides, why would you want to "deviate" from my jet kits? that's the whole entire point of my kits, the work is done properly for you. think about it, most guys don't want to pull there carbs once, much less multiple times to change the jets. My kits have the proper jets, and fine tuning is done with a 2 minute adjustment to the intake blockage. That's as easy as it gets, but still there's somebody not happy with the way I do stuff. Sheesh. Steve

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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2011, 01:48:42 pm »
Steve in Sunny Fla,
 I hesitate to go into the topic as it is heading down a foul path.
 I myself Can do carb work. Is your kit Plug & Play, hopefully. Maybe here in this thread you should post up some of your High Altitude Dyno results with the kit, and then also with the cam gear.
 But I do like doing All work myself, that includes Carbs.
 I did rectify my $1.60 post above. While the price doesn't include shipping, I would never order just a set of jets, so shipping for such a light Item is negligible.
 Don't take it wrong, you have spent time developing your products. Which I take that as a good thing for some, but not all.
 
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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2011, 02:03:30 pm »
I know, Dynojet gets $2.00 per main jet, I know because I run a smaller main jet than they include in their kits. They do give me the option of doing that. The starting point is there, I have the option of going richer or leaner than what they have provided. They are not so insecure that they feel the need to leave us in the dark as to what they have provided. You of all people should understand that there are many of us who are going to try different things,including you. Some of us ride in different RPM ranges than what you feel is important, some of us ride at different altitudes, some of us just like to try different things just to see how it works. I just feel like if I pay for a part I should have the right to know what it is, if for no other reason than to have a starting point for where I need to go if needed or desired.
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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2011, 03:33:49 pm »
Don, thanks for posting this, you've gotten to the heart of the matter - VALUE. let's do a breakdown to see the value of a well sorted jet kit...

Dynojet - 125.00 on average, plus shipping.

2 minute mod jet kit - shipped - 80.00

BUT, as you noted the dynojet kit is to rich (you're correct, it is. it's easier to make the kit rich to have better transitions, but it hurts economy, as you know) so you had to buy more jets. IF you got it right on the first time, that cost you 8.00 plus shipping, plus the BIGGER issue is that you had to pull the carbs AGAIN.

 So the DJ kit cost you in the 140 - 150.00 ball park, PLUS multiple carb removal and re-installations.

 A 2 minute mod jet kit is 80.00 and a one time carb pull / install.

  Since you are so Value -Minded, I'll let you do the math on that one.

  Listen guys, do what you want and enjoy it.

  Motorhead, power to you, i hope you end up really enjoying your connie, and have the satisfaction of having done it yourself.

   Don, I'm really not worried about your opinion of my kit, value, whatever - the simple fact is that you are running a DJ kit and have no intention to try my kit.  The only reason you posted up was to take a shot at me because you don't feel I'm "one of the guys" anymore, like you stated to me a couple or 3 years ago, and don't feel I have the right to post like other forum users because I'm now a "manufacturer".  Steve

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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2011, 03:52:51 pm »
Steve, you still don't get my point. It's not value, it's the fact that with the Dynojet Kit or the Dale Walker kit or the Factory kit, I get jets that are numbered. If the kit as they sell it to me does not work to my satisfaction I have a starting point. I have that number on the jets that I purchased, so I can make an educated guess as to what I want to do to correct the situation. I understand that you want to protect your income, but IMO grinding the numbers off of parts before you sell them is way out of bounds.

Yes you are right the Dynojet kit was too rich for my use, I sure am glad the jets had numbers on them so I could make a decision on which way I needed to go.
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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2011, 07:15:53 am »
Well, realistically, you have a starting point.  Steve posted the initial steps of the 2 minute mod here for free for anyone to take advantage of.  And those instructions started with the stock jet sizes.  So there you go.  Do your own work from that point.
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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2011, 11:37:17 am »
Steve, you still don't get my point. It's not value, it's the fact that with the Dynojet Kit or the Dale Walker kit or the Factory kit, I get jets that are numbered. If the kit as they sell it to me does not work to my satisfaction I have a starting point. I have that number on the jets that I purchased, so I can make an educated guess as to what I want to do to correct the situation. I understand that you want to protect your income, but IMO grinding the numbers off of parts before you sell them is way out of bounds.

Yes you are right the Dynojet kit was too rich for my use, I sure am glad the jets had numbers on them so I could make a decision on which way I needed to go.
   Steve has spent yrs on ZG carbs and he " finally " got the right combo after a lot of work and now you want to cash in on his time and research. Most of us gladly paid Steve for his 2mm and jet kit. And well worth it!! You can come up with all kinds of excuses to save a buck but he doesn't owe you a thing. SHEESH!!!

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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2011, 02:26:45 pm »
   Steve has spent yrs on ZG carbs and he " finally " got the right combo after a lot of work and now you want to cash in on his time and research. Most of us gladly paid Steve for his 2mm and jet kit. And well worth it!! You can come up with all kinds of excuses to save a buck but he doesn't owe you a thing. SHEESH!!!

I've tried to not reply to your comments but I just can't keep from it. I'm not looking to "cash in on his time and research", I'm not looking "to save a buck."
I'm not saying that Steve owes me anything. I am saying that if I purchase parts from someone the parts should not have numbers and markings ground off of them.
I don't claim to be God's gift to carb tuning but I do know that it's important keep track of where you started and what you do at each step you take. Knowing the size of the jets you install in your carbs is the only way you stand a chance of correcting any problems you may have and or any improvements you may think are needed. Would you be happy if your bike came from the factory with the numbers ground off of the jets? If the bike came with the numbers on the spark plugs obliterated? No you wouldn't because you would not have a baseline to make any kind of decision on where to go if you needed to go richer, leaner, hotter and or colder.
I'm sure Steve's kit is a very good product, I've read the reviews and many are quite happy with it. I've also read many reviews in the past about how good Metzler 880 tires are on the C-10. I like to know exactly what I'm installing in or on my bike so if it doesn't work to my satisfaction or if I feel I can make an improvement I do have a baseline. I guess it comes down to the fact I like to know where I'm at, so I have a chance of finding my way out on my own without having to ask someone else to come hold my hand and lead me in the proper direction. YMMV
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Re: High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2011, 03:54:22 pm »
Roadhound,
The OP was asking about "High Altitude Jetting--5000' (1,500m+) and above".   With Steve's 2mm jet kit (jet sizes ground off) you have the ability to adjust your fuel/air ratio for altitude by adjusting the amount of blockage at the intake of your air box.  No changing of jets, so no need to know what size they are.

Of all the posts I have read about Steve's products I can't remember anyone else complaining about them.  You've made it clear in a couple of post's that you do have a problem with Steve's jet kits.  That puts you in the minority ... a very small minority.

Now if we could all just change our attitude, and get back to explaining to the OP, how great Steve's 2mm jet kit will be for him, being so easy to adjust for changes in altitude.  Joe   
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