Author Topic: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down, KIPASS failure  (Read 28386 times)

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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2012, 06:30:08 pm »
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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2012, 06:34:20 pm »
I think Ma Kawi would be best served if they went to a regular key and spent the money they saved on a better way to keep the bags in place.  Kipass is a solution looking for a problem and by golly if there isn't a problem it will create one without a solution!
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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2012, 07:49:25 pm »
I do not believe it makes any difference whether you remove the key or not. Some people have a belief that removing the key is somehow bad but I think that is entirely superstitious. Clearly Kawasaki meant for the key to be removed or they would not have put the letters "FSS" on the ring around the key in the position where it can be removed (Fuel, Saddlebags, Seat or Saddle). I remove the stove knob key from the ignition whenever I need to open anything on the bike and have since 7/07 and coming up on 80K miles without incident. Then again, I am the one who invented the KiPass Bypass too....  :D

There is a lot of 'hocus pocus' about KiPass but much like 'kill the virgin, grow the corn', it seems to work but there is no correlation IMO.

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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2012, 09:05:26 pm »
WD-40 isn't the best thing to use since it actually attracts dirt and displaces grease.  I use a dab of dry graphite lube and it doesn't wash any of the good stuff away.

I was going to say the same thing.  WD-40 should not be used in locks and intricate mechanical works.  It tends to gum up things and attract dirt.  It is great for unfreezing simple mechanical, like rusted hinges.  It is also good for removing sticky stuff, followed by something like alcohol to get rid of the WD-40.

I have always been told that graphite is the only proper stuff to use in locks.
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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2012, 09:07:39 pm »
I think Ma Kawi would be best served if they went to a regular key and spent the money they saved on a better way to keep the bags in place.  Kipass is a solution looking for a problem and by golly if there isn't a problem it will create one without a solution!

I think they should scrap kipass and replace it with a simple, intelligent (chipped) key, to help deter theft.  Then spend the saved money on an integrated, factory cruise control and HID lights.
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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2012, 09:31:14 pm »
I was going to say the same thing.  WD-40 should not be used in locks and intricate mechanical works.  It tends to gum up things and attract dirt.  It is great for unfreezing simple mechanical, like rusted hinges.  It is also good for removing sticky stuff, followed by something like alcohol to get rid of the WD-40.

I have always been told that graphite is the only proper stuff to use in locks.

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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2012, 07:56:54 am »
I find that Dupont spray teflon lube (it dries) works great in locks and it doesn't attract dirt.

I'm not opposed to the concept of a keyless start, but my problem is I have to access the side cases (or the fuel tank) almost ever single ride, so I'm STILL fumbling with a key.  There is just no advantage on this bike, for me.  If I could leave the cases in an unlocked state, it would be a different story.  And I'm not sure I like the idea of leaving modified spare keys in the cases to accomplish that end.

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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2012, 08:07:55 am »
Sorry you are having a problem.  I don't think they fixed the spring issue until the updated 2010 model year.

Keyless is *wonderful* on my car.  I have one fob, I keep it in a fanny pack or briefcase and never even think about it.  I love it.  I don't have to mess with ANY keys, EVER.  And the ignition is a push button switch.  I can open doors, trunk, even the gas filler, AND start the car, without ever touching the fob.

But on the C-14, it really does nothing for me at all.  Since it does not unlock the gas tank, and does not unlock my bags, I still have to carry a key, or mess with the silly stovekey.  And there isn't an ignition button, it is still a key switch, so I have to fiddle with something to get the bike ready to start.  And it doesn't lock or unlock the steering automatically, so you have to press, then wait, then press (but not too soon) and try to turn, etc.   It has almost all the disadvantages of a mechanical system (difficult to use, mechanical failure, multiple keyholes, manual switching, etc), all of the disadvantages of an electronic system (complex, expensive, batteries, etc).

Keyless on a bike is a good concept, if done correctly.  KISPASS is neither. Let the flaming begin!

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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2012, 08:31:15 am »
Ok...

You really wear a fanny pack?    :o

LOL!  I was waiting for someone to comment.  Unfortunately, many times, yes.  I have to carry around medications (like pills and asthma rescue inhaler), big phone, wallet, knife, and junk and it is just too much effort to keep transferring all the stuff from one place to another, over and over.   My need for laziness wins over my need for being a "manly man".   At least it is black leather ;)
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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2012, 08:45:59 am »
There are a couple different ways to go with the fanny pack.  You could try the satchel or the European carry all.  Either way they are still purses.   ;D



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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2012, 08:47:32 am »
LOL!  I was waiting for someone to comment.  Unfortunately, many times, yes.  I have to carry around medications (like pills and asthma rescue inhaler), big phone, wallet, knife, and junk and it is just too much effort to keep transferring all the stuff from one place to another, over and over.   My need for laziness wins over my need for being a "manly man".   At least it is black leather ;)


Sorry Max, there's only one guy who can get away with wearing a fannypack and still look manly. (and if he doesn't ain't no one gonna tell him different)

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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2012, 08:55:07 am »
I just don't get the mentality that admitting you need to carry more than will comfortably fit in pockets is unmasculine.  I guess I am just not that insecure about my manliness :)   Besides, the bonus is that the pack fits perfectly in my Sargent seat "pod", no keys required!
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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2012, 09:01:45 am »
I just don't get the mentality that admitting you need to carry more than will comfortably fit in pockets is unmasculine.  I guess I am just not that insecure about my manliness :)   Besides, the bonus is that the pack fits perfectly in my Sargent seat "pod", no keys required!

Just razzin' ya.  My buddy carries his 1911 and three of four extra mags in a fanny pack.........I don't make fun of him.  But I have asked him for a Tic Tac or Mentos a time or two.   ;D
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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2012, 09:11:39 am »
Just to share my only KIPASS related issue.  Back in approx. Aug of '08 I had a brief stoppage.  I had some serious PTKSD (Post Traumatic KIPASS Stress Disorder).  I had read a post by some guy named Bob.  I had a flash back moment, started a rapid tap on the stove knob and things went back to normal.  I use the knob as Brian does and ride whenever there isnt ice on the road.  What I have come to realize is KIPASS is a manly thing, only for the brave, if you have a fondness for things like snuggies (and maybe fanny packs ;) ) you are destined for an inferior machine with less then 6 gears and will forever be digging into you pockets (under your riding pants of course) for a key.  Instead of a nice smooth bulge in your pocket you will have an unsightly mess which will be a sure thing you can't handle the awe inspiring 'Mad powahs" of KIPASS.  KIPASS is the cure for the common cold and is the best mouse trap ever, just ask Kirby ;)
52,000 miles later I have never had an issue and I have only once lubed the switch, that was somewhere around 50,000 miles ago.
To sum things up, true KIPASS issues are fairly rare and keep in mind, it is an electro mechanical system, there will be some failures, I think inherantly the system is great.
PS If this is your fanny pack all will be well in the manly world http://www.kgproducts.com/BELTBAGS.html

I dont think even a camo colored snuggy will qualify tho ;D

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Re: My least favorite part of my C-14 has now let me down
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2012, 10:22:58 am »
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One thing I can add is is that I think it is possible for debris to get into the mechanism and cause problems. If that were the cause of a failure a simple clean out might be acceptable. After reading  the early KiPass failure posts (probably 97% of which were from that one Bob dude) I started regualarly inspecting the visible components and less regualry squirting in some suitable lubricant. One one inspection I discovered a fragment of dead leaf stuck inside. I spent about an hour extracting most of it. It is a mystery how it got there since the only time I remove the stove knob key is during fueling. So I wonder if it somehow got blown in from underneath. Maybe another good reason to install a fender extender.

Anyway like SOP I had a single possible 08 KiPass  episode in the early days. It happend in my own garage and responded to gentle tapping. The episode occurred after a wash. I sprayed with WD40 and I have had no more episodes, now at 67,000 miles.
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