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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #240 on: January 20, 2017, 11:03:40 am »
Just my opinion here but that does not sound like the activation switch sticking Bob, it sounds like the fork locking mechanism is sticking. This is actually quite common, especially on bikes that the fork lock is not regularly used and gets full of road grime; then on the unusual occasion when you do try to use it, it sticks.

The fork lock is basically a shot- pin that moves down and gets in the way of the lower triple clamp. Take a good light and look under the front fairing on the left side of the frame and you should be able to see the actual locking mechanism. I would suggest cleaning it with some type of spray solvent, being careful not to use one too aggressive and cover all painted parts on the front of the bike before using it. Then after the solvent dries, spray the entire mechanism, from both the top and bottom (as best you can) with a dry lube such as silicone spray. That should help a lot but eventually the mechanism will again get sticky if not used regularly.

That is the other way to deal with the issue: use the fork locks all the time and they should not get clogged with grime in the first place. Unfortunately the way you describe using yours is exactly how most of us use ours- only very occasionally. I do not think I have ever actually used mine but then again, I figure if someone wants to push my C-14 any distance, especially up a ramp, and then replace the entire KiPass system to get it started they actually worked hard enough to sort of, kind of, 'earn' it or at least a couple of rides on it 'till they get caught....

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Brian,
After just finishing reading all 16 pages of the thread, I kept reading where several folks asked the question about when (what year) Kaw started putting the stiffer springs in.

Mine is a 2011 model. While mine has never stuck, (yet...) it has scared me every time (3 now) I've tried to set the switch to lock the forks (switch turned far left with forks turned left.)

All 3 times, it did not want to release afterwards! Talk about being stranded! All you could do is turn a very tight circle, making for a very short trip! Lol...

After a lot of effort, it finally released. One time, after it released, the stove knob literally turned all the way around 360 degrees! I thought sure something had broken, but it didn't.

So, needless to say, I don't use the steering lock feature anymore.
Suggestions of what could be wrong? Anyone else experience this?

But, my 2011's Kipass has never stuck. 46,000 miles now.
Don't know if that means by 2011 they went to the stiffer spring, or if I've just been lucky...?
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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #241 on: January 20, 2017, 11:23:52 am »
...I figure if someone wants to push my C-14 any distance, especially up a ramp, and then replace the entire KiPass system to get it started they actually worked hard enough to sort of, kind of, 'earn' it or at least a couple of rides on it 'till they get caught....

Yeah - kind of a built-in theft insurance - hopefully any prospective thieves "know" how difficult/expensive it is to actually make a ECU-crippled, stolen C14 back into a functional running bike...

And a couple minutes on YouTube will show you how easy it is to break most fork locks anyway...  just a few kicks...  though I don't see one posted about the C14

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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #242 on: January 20, 2017, 11:37:44 am »
That is because even the thought of stealing a motorcycle protected by the aura of KiPass strikes fear into the most hardened (Easy Boys!) of criminals! To paraphrase Yogi Bera: '90% of KiPass is half mental'.

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Yeah - kind of a built-in theft insurance - hopefully any prospective thieves "know" how difficult/expensive it is to actually make a ECU-crippled, stolen C14 back into a functional running bike...

And a couple minutes on YouTube will show you how easy it is to break most fork locks anyway...  just a few kicks...  though I don't see one posted about the C14

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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #243 on: January 20, 2017, 05:20:47 pm »
Fork lock?
This bike has a fork lock?

The shear weight of trying to push this sucker around is a deterrant to theft, let alone when you throw on a haevy anchor chain, wrapped around the rear over the seat and thru the wheel, and then place Kirby on the seat holding a sign saying " I tried to steal this bike... it wasn't worth the effort... arggggghhhhh"

I do spray aerosol lithium grease up into the lock pin yearly, and actuate it, but truthfully I've never used that lock as a security feature...
I have a 1/2" cable lock that lives in my trunk, and I use it thru the rear rim, and up and over the seat, and string it thru the sleeve and leg of my Stich for safe storage in questionable areas..

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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #244 on: January 20, 2017, 05:58:08 pm »
Why does your 'Stich have questionable areas? What are those questionable areas? Have you tried washing or at least deodorizing it?

Sorry, could not resist. :-)

Brian


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I have a 1/2" cable lock that lives in my trunk, and I use it thru the rear rim, and up and over the seat, and string it thru the sleeve and leg of my Stich for safe storage in questionable areas..
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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #245 on: January 20, 2017, 08:30:47 pm »
Sadly, the same thing occurred to me.. :o
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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #246 on: January 21, 2017, 06:08:51 am »
Sadly, the same thing occurred to me.. :o

In a questionable area?
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Detailed Explanation of KIPASS
« Reply #247 on: January 21, 2017, 07:26:16 am »
apologies if this is teaching granny to suck eggs but found the below link and thought it an interesting read


http://www.motorcycleproject.com/text/kawasaki_kipass.html
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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #248 on: January 21, 2017, 08:24:45 am »
In a questionable area?

Dunno.  Was drinking when I posted that.
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Re: Detailed Explanation of KIPASS
« Reply #249 on: January 21, 2017, 08:41:15 am »
apologies if this is teaching granny to suck eggs but found the below link and thought it an interesting read


http://www.motorcycleproject.com/text/kawasaki_kipass.html


A fairly comprehensive explanation of the KIPASS system. From what we know two related points are incorrect.


How KIPASS Works
This is how the Kawasaki Concours is started. The central ECU, called the Smart ECU (because it also controls the TPMS), constantly sends out RF waves, even with the keyswitch turned off. When the keyfob is within 5 feet of the Smart ECU, the keyfob "transponds," that is, receives the Smart ECU's signal and returns it with its own unique electronic signature attached. The Smart ECU compares this signature with its six previously stored registrations and if there is a match, the Smart ECU then seeks security confirmation from the other two ECUs, one at a time. Acknowledgement by the keyswitch ECU via the CAN bus permits the keyswitch to be pushed down and then rotated. At the same time, the Smart ECU seeks security confirmation from the FI (engine) ECU via CAN, in order for the fuel injection and ignition systems to be activated.


Our understanding here is that the 'smart ECU' only sends out a signal (query) when the stove knob key is pressed down. When the fob detects this query it responds with an authentication signal that tells the ECU that's it's ok to allow the stove knob to be unlocked and rotated to turn on the ignition.



If the bike's battery runs down or is disconnected, the KIPASS system will not operate. That is, the keyswitch cannot be pushed down and rotated because the while RF thing is not happening. The keyfob's battery is likewise vulnerable. If a keyfob is stored on the vehicle, this will of course be within 5 feet of the Smart ECU. The fob and ECU will in this case continuously communicate, which will dramatically shorten the life of the keyfob's 5-year rated battery. Naturally, a keyfob should not be kept on the vehicle anyway, since this would make the vehicle able to be started at any time. (Sure, you could remove the key from the keyswitch, but the vehicle was not designed to be used this way, a fact that can be attested to by the size and shape of the key's head.) A worst-case scenario concering keyfobs is possible on the 2010 and later Concours having the computer controlled glovebox. Since a keyfob is required to operate the glovebox, leaving a fob in the glovebox where its battery can more quickly run down can result in the unfortunate situation wherein the bike cannot be started because the fob having a dead battery is inside the glovebox and the glovebox cannot be opened until the the keyswitch is operated. A Catch-22 in other words.
 

Since we know that that ECU doesn't continuously transmit a signal the underlined section above is incorrect.



'the keyfob's 5-year rated battery'

5 years?  :o  That ain't happenin either. 
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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #250 on: January 21, 2017, 10:06:20 am »
That is correct: the system does not 'send out' anything on a continuous basis. In fact, that is the exact reason we have to press the ignition switch down in the first place; to power up the system and have KiPass poll for fobs [insert jokes here].

This is why we should all have and always use a well honed B.S. filter on whatever 'facts' we happen to see / hear / read / dream. Remember, in the olden' days, there were only five elements: earth, water, air, fire and ether, and that was taught by the some of the finest human minds known.

A fairly comprehensive explanation of the KIPASS system. From what we know two related points are incorrect.

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Our understanding here is that the 'smart ECU' only sends out a signal (query) when the stove knob key is pressed down. When the fob detects this query it responds with an authentication signal that tells the ECU that's it's ok to allow the stove knob to be unlocked and rotated to turn on the ignition.

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'the keyfob's 5-year rated battery'

5 years?  :o  That ain't happenin either.
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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #251 on: January 21, 2017, 10:09:40 am »
Are there different elements on the other side?
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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #252 on: January 21, 2017, 03:53:36 pm »
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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #253 on: January 21, 2017, 07:07:08 pm »
Flat earth.
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Re: KIPASS BYPASS Mod by BDF
« Reply #254 on: January 21, 2017, 08:35:10 pm »
Righto
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