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Offline Mal

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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2012, 04:09:44 pm »
Yeehaw.  Government run health insurance.  It can't be any worse than anything else they run. 
The only thing that is run well by the government is the military.
  Thankyou to those that are serving or have served.  I owe you my liberty.

Well, what's left of it anyway...
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2012, 04:15:43 pm »
I guess from that explanation, which is more speculative in nature, I need to do some research of my own to see what's around the corner.  I'll report back what I find.

Looking forward to it! BTW, stay away from the World Health Organization, they have been shown to be very biased...
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2012, 04:34:07 pm »
Might be an option, it is not the same country anymore. I don't feel like a citizen and it surely is not the greatest country anymore. A sad day.

A truly sad day.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2012, 04:49:08 pm »
News to me about the taxes but then I don't follow this stuff much.  Can you point me to where those taxes are discussed.  I'd like to learn more about it.

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In a 5-4 ruling based on the power of Congress to impose taxes, the nation's highest court preserved the law's "individual mandate" requiring that most Americans obtain health insurance by 2014 or pay a tax. The justices also preserved, with some changes, a provision of the law expanding the Medicaid health insurance program for the poor.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2012, 04:55:24 pm »
That's not the tax or whatever you call it he was talking about in his post, Steve. My comments were directed at that.  I'm fully aware of that fee/tax/whatever for not having health insurance.  Really no need worrying about that now.  It could be repealed by next year depending on how the Congress makes it through election year.

Are you contributing to a 401k or IRA?  New tax for that coming soon!  You have Dental Insurance?  You have Mental Health Insurance?  You have Accidental Life Insurance?  What about substance abuse insurance?
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2012, 06:13:57 pm »
Serious question to the Vets here. How is this ongoing debacle going to affect VA care?

Very interested in that myself Mr. Pink.

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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2012, 08:22:33 pm »
As with most things, you can have something cheap, you can have it fast, or you can have quality, but you only get to chose two of the three...

If socialized healthcare anywhere else is an example you can expect rationing, long wait times and a severe drop in quality... which is why most of the European countries are starting to swing toward free market healthcare.

As far as dropping your private insurance, you might want to wait until after November. If the GOP doesn't win, then I would go ahead and enlist in the govt option...

You better believe it.  This is not going to make things better.  I have yet to hear one positive comment from a healthcare professional.  They should know. 

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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2012, 08:26:14 pm »
The only thing that is run well by the government is the military.
  Thankyou to those that are serving or have served.  I owe you my liberty.

HA!  lets talk about cost over runs and contractors gouging the government,  or planes and boats that dont work.   Military aint even close to efficient and streamlined

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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2012, 12:48:13 pm »
I'm a health care professional-paramedic- as is my wife-RN/paramedic, and my comment is this. If you think health care was expensive before, wait until its free. If Gov't healthcare is so good in all the other countries, why do they all come here to live and to get medical care.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2012, 08:43:27 pm »
You won't see your taxes go up if you make under 200k...I thought this was supposed to be free?
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2012, 11:22:25 pm »
I'm a health care professional-paramedic- as is my wife-RN/paramedic, and my comment is this. If you think health care was expensive before, wait until its free. If Gov't healthcare is so good in all the other countries, why do they all come here to live and to get medical care.

As I live in Australia I can comment on our Government run system . IT was introduced in 1974  by a  left wing Government and was modified in by a right wing Government 1978 and has been played around with ever since by both parties . We still have it but you can top up with private health insurance which covers things that the National system dose not ,adding private health insurance gives you more options .

I cannot understand why your Government has not introduced a similar system to ours , it works and is cost effective . Yes it could be better and it is always getting changed slightly but it dose work .

 The sytem you are introducing is going to fail in about 5- 10 years after it is introduced .
 Your current system will also fail in about the same time

Why is it that some Governments can only get legislation passed that is so flawed as to fail .




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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2012, 12:54:46 am »
I had an ex on AHCCCS and if Mr. Bosco thinks that the standard of care he will receive on the gov't insurance will come even remotely close to the private insurance he is sadly delusional.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2012, 06:43:51 am »
All the rhetoric I'm hearing is how this will greatly help the poor. Healthcare right now is free here for the poor, simply walk into any ER anywhere and this will be evident. So, if we are going to pay for something that we are already paying for, what will be be paying for?
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2012, 09:06:55 am »
All the rhetoric I'm hearing is how this will greatly help the poor. Healthcare right now is free here for the poor, simply walk into any ER anywhere and this will be evident. So, if we are going to pay for something that we are already paying for, what will be be paying for?

The theory being that it will be much cheaper in the long run to provide the opportunity for maintenance care to the poor.

It is cheaper to schedule an appointment during the day and see a regular doc for BP meds than it is to go to the ER once every couple of weeks to get them.

Is the theory true?  Who knows.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2012, 09:35:13 am »
You won't see your taxes go up if you make under 200k...I thought this was supposed to be free?
How can it possibly be free?
 
The money has to come from somewhere. The Goverment's only income is taxes and fees (which are just taxes by a different name). Maybe, we could start to institute "tariffs" on all foreign made goods and services like offshore call centers. 
 
The only way to raise the scratch to cover the costs will be through new and inventive taxes like bammy's "Individual Mandate", taxes on any product or service deemed as harmful to the new national health initiative.
 
Motorycles, automobiles and trucks that are imports, tariffed. Dangerous activities like motorcycling, skiing, mountain climbing, bicycling tanning at the booth and beach, sky diving, etc, taxed at userous rates. Cigars, cigarettes, sweetened beverages, alcohol, foods with a high fat / calorie content, taxed.
 
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2012, 10:01:49 am »
The scotus has got it covered now by ruling a non-compliance tax is constitutional. Not only are we getting screwed for what we do we now can get screwed for doing nothing.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2012, 01:13:36 pm »
20 years service.  Earned my benefits and have the broke bits to prove it.  What a crock.  VA has a 2 year backlog so how will that be impacted?  At the speed of govt is how.  I have been robbed by this entire progressive movt.  I feel sorry for my grandkids and feel that somehow I/we have failed them and they will be living in a nation torn by armed revolution.  I pray I am wrong but history is being repeated.

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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2012, 10:35:02 am »
This may well be becoming arena material. But you guys are all left or right. Red or Blue. All you are doing is crying about how BAD the current initiative is. Can someone throw out one idea that is COMMON good?! Denouncing citizenship, country going to crap, blah blah, QQ. What is the republicans gonna do? What is their idea? Or you guys think everything is good as it was?

Bosco has a real situation here. $1600 a month is plain ridiculous !!! Why should not he have a better option?! I am not saying the current option is a good one, but hell it is an initiative ! Tell me please what is a good option for him. I had hospital bills from March that insurance company did not pay - about $6000 of it. Now the hospital is on my butt to get the money. I arranged a payment option and the hospital still turned me over to collection! Bishes! Trying to ruin my credit.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2012, 11:45:11 am »
tort reform

interstate sales of insurance

repeal of government mandated coverage

require drug companies to sell products for the same cost in USA that they do overseas

How's that for a start. All these have been shot down by congress in the past.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2012, 11:49:55 am »
tort reform

interstate sales of insurance

repeal of government mandated coverage

require drug companies to sell products for the same cost in USA that they do overseas

How's that for a start. All these have been shot down by congress in the past.


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