Author Topic: Should I stop my Health Insurance  (Read 18077 times)

Offline graham downunder

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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2012, 11:22:25 pm »
I'm a health care professional-paramedic- as is my wife-RN/paramedic, and my comment is this. If you think health care was expensive before, wait until its free. If Gov't healthcare is so good in all the other countries, why do they all come here to live and to get medical care.

As I live in Australia I can comment on our Government run system . IT was introduced in 1974  by a  left wing Government and was modified in by a right wing Government 1978 and has been played around with ever since by both parties . We still have it but you can top up with private health insurance which covers things that the National system dose not ,adding private health insurance gives you more options .

I cannot understand why your Government has not introduced a similar system to ours , it works and is cost effective . Yes it could be better and it is always getting changed slightly but it dose work .

 The sytem you are introducing is going to fail in about 5- 10 years after it is introduced .
 Your current system will also fail in about the same time

Why is it that some Governments can only get legislation passed that is so flawed as to fail .




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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2012, 12:54:46 am »
I had an ex on AHCCCS and if Mr. Bosco thinks that the standard of care he will receive on the gov't insurance will come even remotely close to the private insurance he is sadly delusional.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2012, 06:43:51 am »
All the rhetoric I'm hearing is how this will greatly help the poor. Healthcare right now is free here for the poor, simply walk into any ER anywhere and this will be evident. So, if we are going to pay for something that we are already paying for, what will be be paying for?
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2012, 09:06:55 am »
All the rhetoric I'm hearing is how this will greatly help the poor. Healthcare right now is free here for the poor, simply walk into any ER anywhere and this will be evident. So, if we are going to pay for something that we are already paying for, what will be be paying for?

The theory being that it will be much cheaper in the long run to provide the opportunity for maintenance care to the poor.

It is cheaper to schedule an appointment during the day and see a regular doc for BP meds than it is to go to the ER once every couple of weeks to get them.

Is the theory true?  Who knows.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2012, 09:35:13 am »
You won't see your taxes go up if you make under 200k...I thought this was supposed to be free?
How can it possibly be free?
 
The money has to come from somewhere. The Goverment's only income is taxes and fees (which are just taxes by a different name). Maybe, we could start to institute "tariffs" on all foreign made goods and services like offshore call centers. 
 
The only way to raise the scratch to cover the costs will be through new and inventive taxes like bammy's "Individual Mandate", taxes on any product or service deemed as harmful to the new national health initiative.
 
Motorycles, automobiles and trucks that are imports, tariffed. Dangerous activities like motorcycling, skiing, mountain climbing, bicycling tanning at the booth and beach, sky diving, etc, taxed at userous rates. Cigars, cigarettes, sweetened beverages, alcohol, foods with a high fat / calorie content, taxed.
 
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2012, 10:01:49 am »
The scotus has got it covered now by ruling a non-compliance tax is constitutional. Not only are we getting screwed for what we do we now can get screwed for doing nothing.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2012, 01:13:36 pm »
20 years service.  Earned my benefits and have the broke bits to prove it.  What a crock.  VA has a 2 year backlog so how will that be impacted?  At the speed of govt is how.  I have been robbed by this entire progressive movt.  I feel sorry for my grandkids and feel that somehow I/we have failed them and they will be living in a nation torn by armed revolution.  I pray I am wrong but history is being repeated.

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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2012, 10:35:02 am »
This may well be becoming arena material. But you guys are all left or right. Red or Blue. All you are doing is crying about how BAD the current initiative is. Can someone throw out one idea that is COMMON good?! Denouncing citizenship, country going to crap, blah blah, QQ. What is the republicans gonna do? What is their idea? Or you guys think everything is good as it was?

Bosco has a real situation here. $1600 a month is plain ridiculous !!! Why should not he have a better option?! I am not saying the current option is a good one, but hell it is an initiative ! Tell me please what is a good option for him. I had hospital bills from March that insurance company did not pay - about $6000 of it. Now the hospital is on my butt to get the money. I arranged a payment option and the hospital still turned me over to collection! Bishes! Trying to ruin my credit.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2012, 11:45:11 am »
tort reform

interstate sales of insurance

repeal of government mandated coverage

require drug companies to sell products for the same cost in USA that they do overseas

How's that for a start. All these have been shot down by congress in the past.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2012, 11:49:55 am »
tort reform

interstate sales of insurance

repeal of government mandated coverage

require drug companies to sell products for the same cost in USA that they do overseas

How's that for a start. All these have been shot down by congress in the past.


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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2012, 12:18:07 pm »
tort reform

interstate sales of insurance

repeal of government mandated coverage

require drug companies to sell products for the same cost in USA that they do overseas

How's that for a start. All these have been shot down by congress in the past.

Excellent  points! In addiction remove the tax incentive for employers to provide insurance, replace with a tax incentive to individual to purchase insurance.

Not only would individuals then be able to take their insurance with them if they change jobs, they would directly oversee the cost vs coverage of their insurance policy, and react to competition...
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2012, 12:27:39 pm »
I like that idea and it would be independent of where you are employed or not.  Then the individual could shop for the best bang for the buck.  Unfortunately, the drug and medical companies, hospital corporations, and insurance companies lobby Congress and the President.  Getting something that makes sense is virtually impossible.   Oh, and I forgot the lawyers.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2012, 03:07:29 pm »
Shhh! I have really good insurance with a kick ass dental plan at a good price. I don't want to see a thing change on my end.
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2012, 03:15:24 pm »
Now we got some good idea flowing! And unfortunately, what Jim said is the truth :(
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Re: Should I stop my Health Insurance
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2012, 03:37:11 pm »
And let us not forget to have all them Lawyers er..I mean..Members of Congress to be on the same plan as all of the rest of us.


It would get fixed instantly if that happened.  :thumbs:
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