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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2012, 07:22:55 pm »
I would definitely take the Ninja 1000 for around town/shorter rides.  I sat on one a couple weeks ago and it was a very comfortable bike.  My legs would probably feel cramped after 30-45 minutes but the seating position and bars seemed to fit me very well, which surprised me.  I still want to take one for a ride but I know a second bike won't be in the cards for at least a year or so. 
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2012, 09:28:11 pm »
My c14 has the wedges only, but a low sargent seat. This meant the bars ended up feeling higher, by a little anyway.  But, as Jeremy said, the ninja bars are way closer.

I'll take a side by side pic of both bikes so you can see the size difference between them. The ninja is tiny.  I wish the ninja windshield guys woudl take over the c14 fairing. 103 degrees tonight and no heat issues on the ninja, and the goofy little windshield is amazing.
I took the ninja up on the freeway tonight and really enjoyed it. Great midrange power and it felt fairly smooth at normal cruising speeds...70-80.  Very stable, surprisingly so. I dont think the stock tires are good and cannot wait until they wear out.

It was funny, though. The c14 has that tall 6th gear that makes things feel calm and relaxed at felony speeding levels.  The ninja does not have  a gear indicator, which is fine, but i kept looking for 7th or 8th gear.   



JJS6, Your ninja sounds fun and I totally get hopping one up and adding 20hp on top.

..Now, as of today, heres is where I'm at with mine..The ninja would be fun to hop up, I suppose, but I'm not trying to race it.  I could have spent the same money and ended up with 180hp to be honest as the shop had a killer deal on a used BMW s1000rr.

  Its always been easy to get high peak hp, btu I dont want that on the street since its not usable.  If you look at  a dyno chart, a c14 (with files removed) has almost twice as much torque as the ninja 1000. For street riding, thats much more fun,   and useful.  I'll probably add an exhaust, though, since the stock exhaust on the ninja is goofy.

Plus, if you look at dyno charts, a full on supersport only pullls ahead of a ninja 1000 after 10,000 rpm's, so its not slow.



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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2012, 05:52:50 am »
My c14 has the wedges only, but a low sargent seat. This meant the bars ended up feeling higher, by a little anyway.  But, as Jeremy said, the ninja bars are way closer.

I'll take a side by side pic of both bikes so you can see the size difference between them. The ninja is tiny.  I wish the ninja windshield guys woudl take over the c14 fairing. 103 degrees tonight and no heat issues on the ninja, and the goofy little windshield is amazing.
I took the ninja up on the freeway tonight and really enjoyed it. Great midrange power and it felt fairly smooth at normal cruising speeds...70-80.  Very stable, surprisingly so. I dont think the stock tires are good and cannot wait until they wear out.

It was funny, though. The c14 has that tall 6th gear that makes things feel calm and relaxed at felony speeding levels.  The ninja does not have  a gear indicator, which is fine, but i kept looking for 7th or 8th gear.   



JJS6, Your ninja sounds fun and I totally get hopping one up and adding 20hp on top.

..Now, as of today, heres is where I'm at with mine..The ninja would be fun to hop up, I suppose, but I'm not trying to race it.  I could have spent the same money and ended up with 180hp to be honest as the shop had a killer deal on a used BMW s1000rr.

  Its always been easy to get high peak hp, btu I dont want that on the street since its not usable.  If you look at  a dyno chart, a c14 (with files removed) has almost twice as much torque as the ninja 1000. For street riding, thats much more fun,   and useful.  I'll probably add an exhaust, though, since the stock exhaust on the ninja is goofy.

Plus, if you look at dyno charts, a full on supersport only pullls ahead of a ninja 1000 after 10,000 rpm's, so its not slow.

I have not ridden a Concours set up like yours, but I cannot even fathom that the Concours could have more response than the Ninja.  No need talking about how much torque there is because that is only a part of it.  Lighter weight and gearing make up a huge amount of why the Ninja is more responsive.  I have not tried it, but I would bet money that in a 60mph roll on, my Ninja (even stock) would pull away from the Concours in sixth gear even if I downshifted the Concours to fourth.  The guy I ride with agrees.   I would not think that any mods to the Concours short of a turbo would make up the difference. 

It's a nice conversation to have between the two bikes though, isn't it  :chugbeer:
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2012, 06:00:35 am »
I just came from a short test drive with an Aprilia Tuono Factory, and being such a radically different bike from the C14 I can't help wondering what a shorter gearing would do for everything we're saying here  :popcorn:
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2012, 06:21:07 am »
I have not ridden a Concours set up like yours, but I cannot even fathom that the Concours could have more response than the Ninja.  No need talking about how much torque there is because that is only a part of it.  Lighter weight and gearing make up a huge amount of why the Ninja is more responsive.  I have not tried it, but I would bet money that in a 60mph roll on, my Ninja (even stock) would pull away from the Concours in sixth gear even if I downshifted the Concours to fourth.  The guy I ride with agrees.   I would not think that any mods to the Concours short of a turbo would make up the difference. 

It's a nice conversation to have between the two bikes though, isn't it  :chugbeer:

It is a fun conversation to have because they are both so different, yet theres  still a feeling abotu them where you know they are related.  Sort of like the Kardashians, maybe. The Ninja 1000 is Kim, and the c14 is Khloe.   

You might be right about this. It would be a fun test to do, for sure.  The Ninja is responsive..two stroke dirt bike like responsive, and a whole lot lighter.   How does the pipe sound, because it sure is beautiful?  I'm really in a position where I cannot make this bike loud.

 It looks like a slip on system wont do much since that cat would stay behind.  Actually, that needs to go. Sorry Mr Gore. 

I saw the"official" Kawasaki dealer rebate book.  ALL bikes, except 2 , have nice rebates this month.   Yep..thats right. The Ninja 1000 and the Concours 14 have no rebate.  They do offer 60 month, zero percent finiancing, though. 

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2012, 08:41:21 am »
It's not really that loud with the silencers in. Louder than stock, but I frequently ride it out of my neighborhood at 7:00 on Sunday mornings and never feel like I'm going to piss off the neighbors.  With the silencers out it is wicked sounding, but even too loud for me (I like a little loud, but not to where it becomes an irritant to others in normal cruising).
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2012, 10:01:46 am »
I always thought of the Ninja 1k as a baby Concours anyways. When I decided to trade off my C14 it came down to either the 1k or a zx14. There were a lot of things I liked about the 1k namely the light weight. Plus the simplicity of the windshield. The manually adjustable just makes sense. My electric one was nice but it was either all the way up or all the way down. I never did get a chance to ride the 1k just sat on several at dealerships.

 The dealer I was at let me ride a used zx14 and all thoughts of any other bike promptly left my head. lol

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2012, 10:21:32 am »
I have not ridden a Concours set up like yours, but I cannot even fathom that the Concours could have more response than the Ninja.  No need talking about how much torque there is because that is only a part of it.  Lighter weight and gearing make up a huge amount of why the Ninja is more responsive.  I have not tried it, but I would bet money that in a 60mph roll on, my Ninja (even stock) would pull away from the Concours in sixth gear even if I downshifted the Concours to fourth.  The guy I ride with agrees.   I would not think that any mods to the Concours short of a turbo would make up the difference. 

It's a nice conversation to have between the two bikes though, isn't it  :chugbeer:
Jim, why not just run the test?  You have simultaneous access to both bikes and a (willing?) tester.  If the nearest "closed course" isn't too far away, we'd love to hear the actual test results.  My willing tester for such activities has move to OR for a couple of years, and the rest of the guys I ride with are less "scientifically inclined".  :)
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2012, 11:27:09 am »
Fretka, if I'm not mistaken, I can use the adjusters as a ride height adjust, right?  Shifting them 180 degrees should be higher, but the same tension????

The engine is not smooth, but not v twin rough either.  Its nto bad, actually.  I love the low end torque, though.

Yes, you can.... at least the old bike you could, I ran mine that way almost 30 years ago!!!   :o

Should make it steer faster as you know, maybe drop the front 5 or 10 mm's as well.

Thanks for the compliment on tuning injection but as I remember any questions that I answered were just to confirm what you already knew!

Did you get the idle-2% throttle issue cleared-up? If so, you might think about posting what you did as it seems others have some of the same issues.  Just a thought.

Have fun Roland

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2012, 11:33:54 am »

I saw the"official" Kawasaki dealer rebate book.  ALL bikes, except 2 , have nice rebates this month.   Yep..thats right. The Ninja 1000 and the Concours 14 have no rebate.  They do offer 60 month, zero percent finiancing, though.

Visited Kawasaki's web site and they have not updated it yet. Could you find out the rebate for the KLR 650?
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2012, 12:55:44 pm »
Jim, why not just run the test?  You have simultaneous access to both bikes and a (willing?) tester.  If the nearest "closed course" isn't too far away, we'd love to hear the actual test results.  My willing tester for such activities has move to OR for a couple of years, and the rest of the guys I ride with are less "scientifically inclined".  :)

Honestly, if you rode both of my bikes you'd know why I don't feel the need to.  I promise you that my Ninja will run off and hide from the Concours, as well is should.  It has more horsepower and weighs 200 lbs less, and has much lower gearing.  My friend and I don't usually ride the different bikes on the same day (yeah I know, we are kind of queer about that  :o) but if we ever do I'll tell him the forum wants us to run them to see how bad the carnage is.  BTW, we actually both have three bikes.  In addition to both having a Concours and Ninja, he has a Ducati 1198S and I have a Goldwing.  We've ridden those two together once.  The Ducati is a little faster  ;D
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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2012, 08:08:52 pm »
Yes, you can.... at least the old bike you could, I ran mine that way almost 30 years ago!!!   :o

Should make it steer faster as you know, maybe drop the front 5 or 10 mm's as well.

Thanks for the compliment on tuning injection but as I remember any questions that I answered were just to confirm what you already knew!

Did you get the idle-2% throttle issue cleared-up? If so, you might think about posting what you did as it seems others have some of the same issues.  Just a thought.

Have fun Roland

Fretka

Yes, I did make that much better.  I'm running the fuel moto map in my c14.  PCV, files removed, and a Leo Vince slip on.  I was gettign a flat spot in tha tidle-2% range, at 1500-2000 rpm.  Just like a too lean pilot jet...which it basically was.

Fuel Moto was not much interested as they said this was lugging the bike.  I see that, except you do have to get through that rpm range every time you ride the bike...

You taught me how to read the dynojet table.  I noticed the fm map was taking away a lot of fuel in that exact range.  I did what you suggested and added back in 5% in that range.  The flat-spot decreased 90 percent when the bike is cold, and is gone when the engine is warm.

Now, the Ninja has what feels like a perfect map.  BUT, the idle appears to have an automatic fast idle for about the first 1 minute after starting the engine.  I've not felt that with the c14.....

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2012, 08:11:38 pm »
The next bike I"ll get ....the Versys 1000. Assuming we can ever get them in America. This Ninja engine is great, and actually feels very v twin like....well, v twin that revs and makes big power.  I dont care to offroad with it, but it would make an amazing offroad engine.

   

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2012, 10:14:21 pm »
It is funny how these two get compared so often, and probably a tribute to the Concours that it is compared.    The Concours feels massive when you climb on after being on the Ninja.  Not to mention passenger accommodations. The Ninja does have a seat and pegs for one, but barely.   Still, I love it.

I think my drivers license will as well.  I've been riding the concours as my only streetbike for the past 6 months.  I had an sv650s that was modified, but it just did not work very well coming off the c14. No brakes, no power, great handling though, and light. At least it was supposed to be light on a scale.  BUT, the fuel was positioned so high, and the bike set high.   It had a very uncomfortable feel to it at low speed and the bars seat, and pegs, were all wrong. The c14 was is smooth, comfortable, and relaxed feeling (at any speed) that I have to really watch the speedo carefully.  The ninja has that feeling of speed where 80 miles an hour feels like your moving.

The Ninja has a v twin like feel at low rpm's. WAY more torque than an inline four is supposed to have.  I hope the ninja front brakes break-in better, or I'll have to get some different pads.  So far, they are not as strong as the c14. The master cylinder is the same, but it has Tokico calipers instead of the Nissin.

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Re: Ninja 1000
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2012, 06:06:43 am »
Yes, I did make that much better.  I'm running the fuel moto map in my c14.  PCV, files removed, and a Leo Vince slip on.  I was gettign a flat spot in tha tidle-2% range, at 1500-2000 rpm.  Just like a too lean pilot jet...which it basically was.

Fuel Moto was not much interested as they said this was lugging the bike.  I see that, except you do have to get through that rpm range every time you ride the bike...

You taught me how to read the dynojet table.  I noticed the fm map was taking away a lot of fuel in that exact range.  I did what you suggested and added back in 5% in that range.  The flat-spot decreased 90 percent when the bike is cold, and is gone when the engine is warm.

Now, the Ninja has what feels like a perfect map.  BUT, the idle appears to have an automatic fast idle for about the first 1 minute after starting the engine.  I've not felt that with the c14.....

What year is your Concours?
Jim
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